Why did 80% of Jewish American’s vote for Obama?

Tsk, Tsk — Sun, 07 Jun 2009 18:50:54 GMT

Why did 80% of Jewish American’s vote for Obama? Did Obama consider such support a mandate for his current actions? Obama is what he is…but must America’s Jews--such as Rahm Emanuel--help him? Are US Jews part of Israel’s problem?

RE: Why did 80% of Jewish American’s vote for Obama?

tyrebitre — Sun, 07 Jun 2009 19:57:14 GMT

Perhaps 80% of American Jews aren't single issue voters ?

RE: Why did 80% of Jewish American’s vote for Obama?

Tsk, Tsk — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 00:18:19 GMT

So the life-and-liberty of Israelis, to America's Jews, is one of many political “issues.” Interesting.

RE: Why did 80% of Jewish American’s vote for Obama?

Kibbutz — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 04:48:02 GMT

For many Israelis, there are more issues then just the settlers.

RE: Why did 80% of Jewish American’s vote for Obama?

OronD — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 17:44:08 GMT

Hi,
The Jews voted for Obama hoping that he will be a good president to the USA and be a good friend to Israel. Looking backwards voting for Obama was a HUGE mistake. I am sure most Jews truely regret. Rahm Emanuel is an extreme leftist and represents a tiny fraction of the Israelies ( ~ 0.9%). He is doing big harm to Israel.
Best regards,

RE: Why did 80% of Jewish American’s vote for Obama?

yp1801 — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 07:15:28 GMT

Probably the same reason most non-Jews who voted, voted for him - blind faith/infatuation, social pressure and a false belief that life just 'works itself out' with no effort.

Now, it is even more effort to deal with the facts that threaten the very existence of humanity - again.

He clearly said, during the debates that he didn't feel he was ready to become President. He should have been taken seriously, then.

Now, it's about saving face, not lives and that is getting turned into a Jewish responsibility to make right not only for a very young US President, but for many nations still reeling with their own internal conflicts. It is an impossible imposition with dire consequences to everyone unless people in free nations unite toward the center. That is fair but, it won't bring peace to the Middle East, under nuclear threat.

I don't think it's going to be easy for anyone but I hope humanity will help make it possible.

No one in the US forgets 9/11. It's been analyzed and has to be dealt with, with brotherly love not hate and not blame against innocents.

Actions do speak louder than words.

RE: Why did 80% of Jewish American’s vote for Obama?

Cynthia — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 01:15:42 GMT

I think the reason American Jews voted for Obama is that Jews here in the USA are traditionally Democratic and not Republicans. Republicans are the "religious right" here in the USA (Fundamentalist Christians/Born Agains), and the religious right rejects things like gay marriage, abortion, and social spending programs, in favor of very strict Christian teachings that often use the Tanach to support what they believe, and how they will vote.

Alot of American Jews are more separated from their scriptures, even though they may attend religious services - many of them attend services to be cultural, but do not read the Tanach or know what it says in great depth. Many Jews admit to never reading their scriptures at all, and having no idea what they mean. I know this for a fact because all the Jews I know have told me this about themselves. Their excuses range from "I don't have time to read and study my scriptures", to "I am an Athiest and just attend Schul for my culture..." Because they do not know the details of what the Tanach teaches, they would rather embrace things that they feel injured them in recent history - things like Hitler's plan to destroy Jews because of their religion and culture; Therefore Jews in America want to stand up for support of minority groups and rights of the individual to do what they want, whether one person's religion supports it or not - in a round about way, they are hoping to build support for themselves as a minority group that one time needed help; Their value is "I will vote for whatever 'they' want now, and 'they' can support me later on when I need a vote."

Most Jews here in The States also support Democratic government sponsored social programs to help others because they have benevolent hearts and want everyone to have freedom and a nice life, and receive help when they need it - they are very good people with a big and loving heart; Many Jews here in America are very well educated and have alot of money. They want their money and their taxes to help others, and the Democrats are the party that spends money to help the poor. Republicans also do, but not so much - Republicans want low taxes and they want people to take care of themselves because they are afraid of Socialism and Marxism taking over.

But it is because of these values - helping others and permitting others to have freedom of religion and inner belief even if the belief is against the Tanach Scriptures, they feel compelled to vote for those who support freedom of thought, or those they think will support such things, and are not as concerned with what the scriptures teach.

On our ballot last November alot of issues came up that had nothing to do with Israel as a nation or the settlements there - issues that only affect people here in the states - gay marriage was a huge controversy here and there was no middle ground. For some reason, Jews support gay marriage because gays are a minority group; Jews identify with being a minority, and so support other minority groups, even if their scriptures would say otherwise. Many Jews I have spoken to would rather support gay marriage than condemn anyone for committing a sin, because they feel that is persecution, and they do not ever want to support persecution toward anyone, no matter what they do. To keep these values going, one has to vote Democratic and not Republican. The Democratic Party is our "liberal" party and supports things like abortion, gay marriage and public spending, which means that when the rubber meets the road, the Democrats will likely support any underdog group that there is, and help them do what ever they need to. That 'could' include the groups Obama is helping now - groups that are against Israel. Maybe Jews have felt persecuted in the recent past and want to support this so that if they ever need this kind of support again, it will be there for them.

In the case of Obama, I have no idea why American Jews would have voted for him if they knew in advance that he would be against Israel as a nation for the Jewish People, or against Settlements. But I do know that most secular people, no matter what their religion of origin is, 'believe' that Abrahamic Religions (Jews, Christians and Muslims) have a huge responsibility - perhaps sole responsibility - for causing world wars. I personally don't think that is true, but this is what is being "preached" to those who are not religious - it is a sermon spoken by liberals about staying away from religion because it itself is dangerous.

Most people who are secular do not even realize that Israel is very, very important in Biblical Prophecy, and that Jews need Israel to perform special tasks that G-d has assigned them to do; performing these tasks will, in turn, cause other prophecies to be fulfilled as predicted in scripture. Secular people do not realize that Israel is not political, it is religious in its existence - a plan by G-d. They just want the political problems to vanish, but don't know that the only way to make that happen is to obey G-d. They just don't "get" it.

Fundamentalist Born Again Christians in America are largely taught that Israel, when in posession by the Jews, is one of the most important things that can happen in Biblical prophecy, and as commanded by G-d. We do not question G-d, what he commanded, or why. He said to do something, so we accept it. G-d said Jews must posess Israel, so we support that. We know that only Jews should have Israel, and we figure we have the whole rest of the world, so why not let the Jews have their land. We don't mind if Jews live in America - and I am very sure that if all the Jews migrated back to Israel I would be miserable: All my doctors are Jews and they are the very best doctors I could ever have - my eye doctor, my foot doctor, to name a few - best doctors in the whole world - they really, truely care about me and my health and well-being, almost like family. We have Jews in every part of our society who are smart, fair and hard workers who never run out of energy. We need Jews here to help us and take good care of us. I have Jewish friends who I love - they are the best cooks and house keepers anyone could ever meet and inspire me to do better and try harder. They even help me when I don't know how to do things. What good friends they are to me!

You are benevolent to permit us to come visit you on vacation in Israel, and that is wonderful. But we should never want to take this away from you. If I had all power in the world, I would give you Israel and the Temple Mount, and I would pay to have your beautiful Temple rebuilt. I wish I had that kind of power. That would be the best day. I can only pray for this blessing for you. Whenever I bless you, you bless me back. I feel toward your religion/culture that you are like my sister; I would never take something valuable away from my sister, I would work to help her get and keep it. I feel this way for the Jews as well, my sister faith. My "mother" faith actually, for without your religion and culture, I would be....wow, I'd be a Pagan. That's scary and uncomfortable for me. I do not want to be a Pagan. I like knowing about the one true G-d who loves me. Pagans do not have a formal book of scriputre, so what would I read when I get sad or have problems? I would have no where to turn. It would be terrible for me.

Even knowing all of this, please do not blame American Jews for how they voted because I do not think they realized their vote would damage Israel, I really do not think this, and I wonder if they are now feeling guilty about their vote - instead work very hard to teach American Jews what the Tanach says, where the prophecies are located in it, and what these prophecies mean; and teach us Christians too - we want to know these things very much. Continue to teach American Jews the commandments that G-d expects, for these are very important things that must be done and G-d has given these duties to the Jews. It is very important to educate them and sweep their hearts away with what they need to do and believe. Without this, they will continue to support liberal politics in hopes of safety - but it is a false safety, as we now can see. One way to teach Jews these wonderful things is to hold more and more Jewish Festivals in public and invite Gentiles/the public. Once it is standard to know and believe these things, no one will question these teachings.

Right now America is going through a Religious crisis - the religion of witchcraft is the very fastest growing religion here in America, and it is under the label of "Wicca". Many people are leaving Christianity and Judaism to follow "other gods" - other beliefs, and yes idol worship is becoming popular here, especially of "the mother earth goddess". Even people who would never believe such things are questioning basic Bible beliefs and are embracing things like reincarnation, which, surprisingly is the "other side" of the abortion/euthenasia issue. If you need an abortion, no problem - the soul will be reborn in another body anyway, so go ahead and have an abortion, it is not really killing anyone. If this mentality continues, it will soon become "ok" to kill anyone who is inconvenient to society...and that brings us full circle to Hitler. I was very surprised to hear this a few months ago when a friend told me her daughter had an abortion, but not to worry, the baby would be reborn in a "next life". I had other people tell me this as well. I was very uncomfortable to hear about this because it makes killing another person "ok" - and when I think about this my blood runs cold. Yet these people will run out and preserve a baby bird egg in a nest, but will not value human life. Will these same people support death of any person and justify it with reincarnation?

To me these are dangerous beliefs that are invading America because of how these beliefs can expand and harm others; Christian America is struggling to keep memberships. But these beliefs are sweeping the country and people are leaving the Hebrew Scriptures behind for a new religion which gives them freedom from the laws of G-d, (which they think are restrictive, hard to follow, and takes away the fun from life.) Obama is apparently supporting a new political party which is very much like Marxism, and this is horrible thought to me. But many people believe it is best to "share" everything in order to "help" the earth. I do not want to be a Marxist - I do not want this here. I think Marxists may be Athiests, and I will never become an Atheist; I have to believe in the G-d of the Bible, that is the only way I can breath or live.

Anyway, Jewish Americans have lost touch with their scriptures and a deep understanding of their religion; they have traded it in for a promise that a political party will protect them, because that seems more logical to many people here in the USA.

I wonder if Obama is a Muslim, or if he is leaning toward communism in some way, or not. Look at his actions and not his words to see who he really is. One things is sure - he has been labeled "The Messiah" by many American news papers, and this is not what I want to hear. If you look at him closely, he looks much like an Egyptian Pharaoh. He is handsome and elequent, that much is true. But is he in support of the G-d of the Bible and his commandments?

Sincerely, Cynthia :)

RE: Why did 80% of Jewish American’s vote for Obama?

Kibbutz — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 05:03:17 GMT

You bring up some very good points about Jews in America. I would just like to add a few of my own. I was raised as a conservative Jew in America, but I always felt out of the American mainstream even though I was never a target of anti Semitism. My mother was but that was back in the 1940s when she was serving in the US Army. I have since moved to Israel, and as a non religious Jew, I have always felt that Israel is my real homeland. As events proved yesterday in Washington outside the Holocaust Museum, anti-Semitism still exists in America, and I don't ever see it disappearing.

RE: Why did 80% of Jewish American’s vote for Obama?

Cynthia — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:35:23 GMT

I hate to say this, but our Christian preachers of Biblical prophecy say that anti-semitism is predicted to worsen as the "Anti-Christ" (or Anti-Messiah) comes into power, working against G-d and his people, which includes Jews and also Christians; The world is currently recognizing that Christianity is a "type" of Judaism - our Houston Museum had a huge display this past winter called 'Christianity: A Jewish Religion', so it is now standard to consider Christianity a 'type' of Judaism, even though we have some divisions in faith issues.

There will be someone who will make peace in Palestine/Israel between these two people groups; and this peace will reign for 3 1/2 years; Then all hell will break loose, and no one will be able to figure out why - persecution of G-d's people will increase. This leader will require worship of himself, and force everyone to have his mark on their hand or forehead (could this be the RFID Chips)? This is all predicted in the Hebrew Book of Daniel (TNK), and also in our Book of Revelation. I think it is very possible for these things to occur - It has been proposed that the world go on a single money system and that Europe will lead the way (they have done this already with the Euro); Once a world-wide money system is in place, wouldn't it be easy for a world-wide UN Leader to put an RFID computer chip in everyone's hand (as predicted in Daniel and Revelation) ? How easy the world would be to run life with a computer chip in everyone and just scan their hands: all money, medical, legal, identification, and employment information could be on this chip - buying and spending, even your location via satellite would be known so that if you are kidnapped or commit a crime, you could be located quickly; and no more identity theft... but the world-leader could "check in" on anyone...maybe these are misinterpretations and fantasies, but it seems the world really could be headed this way, the technology is certainly there; and along the way, persecution of true Christians and Jews will increase because we won't worship this leader or receive this computer chip, which will make us "illegal". Meanwhile, America and Europe are unknowningly preparing themselves for such worship of an idol, because outright idolatry is developing rapidly with the spread of Neo-Pagan religions in these two land-masses. And Neo-Pagans are very "anti" anything Biblical, even though they are otherwise very nice folks. It is time for Jews and Christians to become one family again, we are all we have and we have to stand together in the face of whatever comes against us. And I believe that Christians must protect Jews from Anti-Semitism where ever it occurs. I am certainly going to do that.

RE: Why did 80% of Jewish American’s vote for Obama?

yp1801 — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:20:22 GMT

I am so sick of all this 'right wing'/'left wing' bs!

It takes two wings for a bird to fly. It takes two wings to get a plane off the ground. It takes two wings to describe the White House.

It is one thing to notice the wings aren't flapping in harmony. It is quite another to watch a bird nose dive instead of trying to catch it and let those who don't merely watch a tragedy happen and just comment on it, but who have the skill and ability help repair the injured bird's distress and fly freely, as it was meant to in the first place.

Fear and hate simply doom an already in peril bird(American civility). The worst is preventable if people would stand back and let those who can, intervene - for everyone's sake. Or we are heading towards a repeat of the worst of the 50's & 60's - not the best. And it would be tragic because it is completely preventable.

It is not a valid religious tenant to give up life to doom and gloom when people are given free choice to prevent just that.

We can protect each other but the starting point has to affirm life as life is commanded or it isn't American. (nevermind religion just for now - this particular issue is a legal one or EVERYONE is roadkill --- it's a large bird.) Prayer can't hurt - doom & gloom can kill the foundations of the threatened civility - the US Constitution.

RE: Why did 80% of Jewish American’s vote for Obama?

Sweet Gypsey — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 03:44:00 GMT

First I would love to know who and where the poll was taken, the fact is that I have never heard of a poll that asks your religion, or did they look for the star of David on the neck. Get real, I am a of Jewish blood also have a large mix in family so with me I am very familiar with most religions, but 90% of my family are Republicans, and as far as they go all went to the right side and always has.

POLLS ARE ONLY AS GOOD AS THE ONES THAT TAKE THEM, AND WHO THEY TAKE THEM FROM!!!

If I met you in the street, can you tell me what I am, most think Spanish, some Italian, my age, I still hang with some of my sons friends.

I did the game with dead people voting, and checking to see how many times, and the polling only in one area game, and that's all it is a game.............

Tanya

RE: Why did 80% of Jewish American’s vote for Obama?

Kibbutz — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 05:35:04 GMT

Just so you know the majority of us in Israel do not support the settlers.

RE: Why did 80% of Jewish American’s vote for Obama?

Sweet Gypsey — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 20:27:51 GMT

Kibbutz that depend on who you talk to again, and you know not tfor me to make light of this but you get 2 Jew in one room and you get 3 different stories, it all depends on who you talk to what party they belong to, and what I had forgot in the post last night before I forget was that it was the Hasidic Jews that vote as a block and they voted D.Dinkins out and also help us get Patacki in as Govenor, and if that were the case as for the settlers, how come they brought back the BEST P.M. Ben Netanyahu, and you and I both know where he stands, he will not give up a grain of sand.

Kibbutz, I have Jewish blood in me, but I was never religious, and am very familar with many religions, the old ones that most leave be, but I do know that the thing that is evil is now, and also so many that I talk to from Israel, not religious ones, don't want to give up land, you are one of the first that I heard that from, and when I saw the polls last night that to was so off, I worked with them, they are many sects yes, but they do mostly agree on politics and they go to the conserveritive end of the groups, why do you think that they have children as they do and still have made marriages in most cases. Anyway I know much of them and their ways, I had to learn the hard way in some cases, but I was one of 50 wonem that was lucky enough to go to the ROSE ROOM in Williamsburg Brooklyn, with believe it or not 1000 men, and a screen between us, to a party for Patacki when he won many years ago, took a girlfriend with me, tall pretty Irish cop, we had to be on good behaveiorRIGHT

Tanya

RE: Why did 80% of Jewish American’s vote for Obama?

Kibbutz — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 04:42:20 GMT

You can say what ever you want about the Hasidic Jews, for those of us living in Israel, they cause nothing but trouble for both non religious Jews and for religious Jews that don't believe in the things that they do. Do you know that when there are elections in Israel that many of the Hasidic Jews living in the States are flown to Israel, cast their vote and then return to Israel? Ask a woman in Israel how hard it is to get a divorce in Israel because of the religious parties in the Knesset. Ask couples how hard it is to adopt because of the religious parties in the Knesset. I could go on, but I need to watch my blood pressure.

RE: Why did 80% of Jewish American’s vote for Obama?

Sweet Gypsey — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 05:07:05 GMT

Kibbutz O.K. to tired to debate, and we all have to many same fiends so ok.

Tanya

RE: Why did 80% of Jewish American’s vote for Obama?

Kibbutz — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 05:45:24 GMT

In case you haven't been following this story, it has been grabbing all the headlines and has been the cause of recent riots in Jerusalem between the haredi and the police. She has Munchausen-by-proxy syndrome (MBPS). It is a terrible story. Have a nice night.

RE: Why did 80% of Jewish American’s vote for Obama?

yp1801 — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 05:53:58 GMT

It is very sad, Kibbutz.

I read about it. It's a difficult thing. You don't want to remove a child from its mother but, if to save its life....These are people who either saw or are directly related to people who saw the Nazi's divide our families.

I joke with you but, I wish I could live there.

Shalom, my friend.

RE: Why did 80% of Jewish American’s vote for Obama?

yp1801 — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:24:48 GMT

Just to revise my previous answer directly on this topic....

1/2 of all Americans voted. Jews make up less than 2% of the population.

iow, less than 1% of Jewish voters, even voted. The percentage is inaccurate. It would be 40% not 80% because of this.

However,

ACORN stands accussed of illegally duplicated votes.

That would then make the % 20% of 1% of the entire 1/2 of the US population who voted, voted for Obama.

That is approx. 2 people.

My best guess is they were drunk or victims of hanging chads that were unreported because the majority who got him elected, were astounded...including BarWACKObama.

RE: Why did 80% of Jewish American’s vote for Obama?

Kibbutz — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 10:01:16 GMT

yp, you are always welcome to make the big move. There are no age limits.

RE: Why did 80% of Jewish American’s vote for Obama?

yp1801 — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:11:11 GMT

There are financial limits, Kibbutz. There's other personal limits (health, education, language, family obligations...marital status...) Should I go on???

I already consulted someone about this. I don't have my parents' ketubah. They were survivors and hid everything religiously identifying them - it's possible in Israel!

It's going in circles. There's a halchacha, also, that forbids it to travel alone, in my case.

Age, can also play a factor.

Besides, when Israel treats Arabs better, the dream doesn't seem what it used to, unless I'm literally asleep.

The media doesn't help, here, there or anywhere, although there are limits that can't be changed.

I remember Sharon said at one point, "If you want to make Aliyah, now's the time"...as he was selling out strategic land. --- I'd sleep there?

I don't sleep, here.

I worry about people who can sleep anywhere, these days, ok? So, fine. What else is new?

RE: Why did 80% of Jewish American’s vote for Obama?

Kibbutz — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:26:44 GMT

Quite, except for the riots in Jerusalem between my good buddies and the police. The new mayor of Jerusalem is not going to take any crap from them and he is 100% right.

RE: Why did 80% of Jewish American’s vote for Obama?

Sweet Gypsey — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:46:07 GMT

Kibbutz that is so sad to hear something like that, you hear it on the T.V. shows but to really have it in the news and we know the size of Israel is like New Jersey, so small, and what I do know, I read your post but not the artical yet if it was Hasidic that one of the problems is that with some, or most of the sects there is alot of close marriage, as to keep a tribe going. The Satmia, not sure if spelled right are the ones that will not settle any where and believe that the Jews are to wounder and produce, will not have anything to do with other sects, atleast not here, but I do know that health problems that are mostly Eastern European Jews because of that fact, may have changed don't know.....................

Tanya

RE: Why did 80% of Jewish American’s vote for Obama?

Kibbutz — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 04:35:02 GMT

Here is the latest on this story. After the Jerusalem Magistrate's Court on Monday ordered the woman suspected of starving her child to undergo a psychiatric evaluation within 24 hours.

RE: Why did 80% of Jewish American’s vote for Obama?

Sweet Gypsey — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:32:33 GMT

Kibbutz it's not my place to say but they know that the landy is sick, and not safe with children, she should not have them, you she in the news not often mostly on the shows that and better for the child then the parent to live, could never understand how someone could hurt an innocent, children, animals, living things. But the lady is sick and needs help away from children. Thanks for the update.

Tanya