Is it God's Work to condemn Homosexuals?

Branavian — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 01:31:46 GMT

What I am trying to understand is how come Christians think God's work is condemning others for being gay? It seems God is the only qualified individual to judge that and who is sinless enough to be concerned about other's sins and not their own?

If the purpose is to muster fear in that individual, the only feeling I have seen people get from this approach is a misrepresentation of the church as an inhospitible and unwelcoming institution.

My mother was raised Catholic and believed in Christ without question until she was told after her husband who had committed suicide, that he was condemned to hell for the act. She could not and would not accept that and it had taken alot of stuggling for her with her beliefs that she became an atheist. People are impressionable and so many others often tend to act as authorities in areas that they are not.

It only seems to deter people who are not that certain in what it is that they believe in, from ever giving the teachings of Christ a chance.

It know people don't always think too much before they speak, I am just as guilty of that as the rest of us, I think that we should try though. Because sometimes, something that we represent will wind up taking the fall for something we say or do. I don't want to think that their real intention is to drive someone further away from Christ.

I Don't think it is our place to judge anyone and I also think that we should pay attention to our own housework before criticizing anothers. That God is forgiving and just, I think that we should trust his will and believe that whatever another man or woman does in their own privacy is between them and God and know that they will work it out because God has a plan and a reason for everything.

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Cathy — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 01:52:46 GMT

Because homosexuality is wrong. I think that god appreciates the fact that I denounce homosexuality. I am not judging but I know the difference between right and wrong. I would not turn anyone away because of their sexual preference that would be wrong. I love god with all my heart. I don't want to change anyone. I just pray they will see the light.

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OronD — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:48:37 GMT

Dear Elaine,
You are a very brave woman to say exactly what you think and feel. I think you are absolutely right and really enjoyed reading your notes. It made me think and discuss it with my wife. I would like to add one point: It doesn't fit to their world...... (Just as is a carnibore [not sure about the spelling but I mean one that loves meat] is no accepted in a group of vegiterians). Thank you Elaine, enjoy your weekend.
Best regards,

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rrandytbear — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:12:52 GMT

Let's start at the beginning. The Catholic Church did at one time believe that suicide was so wrong that it meant that people were forever damned for it. That belief has changed since people in the church have become more educated. A person who commits suicide is emotionally unable to make a real decision. God does not condemn these people. The ignorance of the past caused untold misery among the families of those who did commit suicide, and now the mercy of God is stressed above all else.

Pretty much the same applies to gay people. The Church is behind in its thinking and will eventually see that people should not be judged for being the people God made them to be. Why our churches are so concerned about sexual issues is absurd. God told us to love each other. Support anyone you know who is gay. Accept that person, and you will usually have a good friend for life!

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NotGoingBack — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 21:48:28 GMT

I agree with you 100%. Jesus never said anything about homosexuality, and science is proving that most homosexuals are born that way; the ones who weren't were probably molested by "straight" people. Jesus said "Judge not lest ye be judged". Everyone who judges others will be judged harshly in return.

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Cathy — Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:12:41 GMT

Homosexuality and suicide will condemn you to hell. How can you people be so blind? I will pray for your souls. Please see the light.

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So On and So On — Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:26:25 GMT

Right On, Frouthy. I am a gay Christian and have been since 8 or 9 years old. I prayed and ask God if I was alright with Him(because as long as I can remember I knew I was Gay and I was not about Sex in my heart of hearts I knew I like girls but I am a girl) and if not change me because I wanted to be no where esle but with God. I also prayed that if I was ok then help me to embrass all the different people like me. My life has been embrassing,and caring in the name of God.

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Cathy — Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:40:41 GMT

There is no such thing as a gay christian. Please don't let these so-called gay christians warp your views on religion and drag you to a firey eternity with them. Anyone who belives homosexuality is ok has a lot to learn. I don't mean to belittle anyone. I just want everyone to see the truth. I praise god for showing me the truth and the light.

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rrandytbear — Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:24:55 GMT

Valerie,

Why don't you stop for a moment and agree to let God be the judge? God never meant for you to made these statements about things you don't understand. So many of the people who condemn gay people are showing no love and no compassion. If you want to quote the Bible, it would be very easy to show you the many, many ways you are not following it. To base you hatred on some selected verses, taken out of context, would be shameful. Let God be God!

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DrStrangelove — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 02:47:55 GMT

Valarie, you have a clear and accurate point. Could a rapist also be a Christian? Could a pederast be a Christian? Could a lunatic that spreads AIDS, Herpes, and every other STD to others be a Christian?

Not a prayer.

What people do in the privacy of their homes is not my concern -- until some miserable, dirty little pervert and his sex-crazed boyfriends dragged my son off the street into his car! He and his boyfriends kidnapped my son, raped and beat him purple, and when they were done with him, they dropped him naked in a ditch half full of stagnant water for dead!

When he crawled out of the ditch, the police officer took him immediately to the emergency room. They pulled nineteen ounces of contaminated semen out of his stomach and forty out of his lacerated rectum!

Then, we found out that those same gay cretins did that to nine other boys over a ten state area. They are still on the loose.

Ryan died five years ago, at fourteen, of AIDS. No amount of medication could help him. The mental scars were the worst. He wanted to die.

Now, that gay bastard wants to advance the exact same thing against more and more innocent little boys in MY hometown?

OVER MY DEAD BODY!

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Branavian — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:43:07 GMT

your struggle and your son's is everything that a parent should never have to go through, that must leave behind alot of pain. God tells us to forgive our enimies, it is nearly the hardest thing asked of us. I doubt you will find any forgiveness in your heart, it is hard for anything to live in a heart full of as much hate and depravity as yours. there may have been cause for your trial, i can only speculate that the trial is far from over and that the clogged darkness residing in you is so uunresolved that it isnt possible for Christs love to enter...The descriptive and provocative verbage you spew is chosen with a passion and passionate hatred is the most dangerous kind. I pray that you let god heal you and release that toxic depravity from your heart and mind. only then will you be able to heal for your son. To see the evil that did that wasn't human and that your heart is so shoved full of that evil hate that killed your son you have become that evil yourself. evil is a growing thing, it is so pronounced in your blogs that i fear you may have already accepted the hate that satan so cleverly decieved you with and now you have done his intention, and absorbed into you. Don't be wekened by hate, learn love and forgiveness, drop hateful verbage from your vocabulary and than god's plan will guide you through the reason you were made to learn to love with such harsh lessons.

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So On and So On — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:00:35 GMT

Dr.Stangelove said, " Life is a banquet".

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Cathy — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:35:58 GMT

rrandybear, I am not trying to judge anyone. God wants me to know the difference between right and wrong. I do not hate anyone who is gay. I did not quote anything from the bible. You are not following the bible,you are judging me for denouncing what is wrong. It is shameful for you to defend something as sinful as homosexuality. god is god and I will pray to him for you to see the light. I have no hate in my heart. God bless you.

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mommasgirl — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 04:24:51 GMT

Frouthy, I am not here to condemn you or condone you. I myself believe in nothing but God and His word. Everything else has at one time or another let me down. However, if you read Romans 1, you will discover your answer there. It is wrong for a church to turn you or anyone away. It is also wrong that the Catholic Church drove your mother into the state you say she is now in. I am so sorry. After reading Romans 1, I find it hard to believe that gays are born that way. I don't ever put scientific research before the Word of God. If there are others who have a different opinion than mine, feel free to oblidge me with your answer. I am a Christian, but still in training after all these years. Will we ever learn the intent of God until we see Him face to face? I do believe that when He told us to populate the earth, he meant a man and a woman, otherwise there would have not been a population. Take care and pray about your decision. I am not saying you are wrong, but I am saying it is important to seek God in all things and lean not unto your own understanding. May God bless you.

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durtbag — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:12:22 GMT

Leviticus
18:1 The LORD said to Moses, 18:2 “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them, ‘I am the LORD your God. 18:3 You shall not do as they do in the land of Egypt, where you lived: and you shall not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you; neither shall you walk in their statutes. 18:4 You shall do My ordinances, and you shall keep My statutes, and walk in them: I am the LORD your God. 18:5 You shall therefore keep My statutes and My ordinances; which if a man does, he shall live in them: I am the LORD.
Leviticus
18:22 “‘You shall not lie with a man, as with a woman. That is detestable.
these are the words of God, who has given me the wisdom to judge the differance beteween right & wrong,: everyone that say they love God is supossed to suport Him & His Word. His Church, Or synagogue, is supossed to suport Him & His, word, His law. Aren't we then suffesant to Judge these matters, & to worn a person of there wrong doing. God Has final judgment in all things, But for the sinner who refuses to turn from their sin: it is written in Isaih 64:7

You have turned Your Face from us, & consumed us by means of our own iniquities.

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So On and So On — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:51:16 GMT

Thank You mommasgirl, You are right no church should ever turn anyone away from their door nor deny communion. However, Gays are born gay I speak with authority (because I'm lesbian) there are somethings sceince can't figure out. Science does not know how somethings works, but know that it is what it is. Also, not to sound like I'm reducing the respect of science, however, science is doing a great job discovering God everyday in their search to deny Him.

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Moosemose — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 01:40:09 GMT

Sorry "So On & So On", U were NOT BORN GAY!!! It has been PROVEN by mans Own Science that's NOT THE TRUTH (& Lord knows He didn't make U that way)!!! To wit I make this Post. Now Frouthy, NO ONE IS CONDEMNED TO HELL UNLESS THEY DON'T ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST, PERIOD!!! A persons' own "Free Will" is the "Criterion" as to their going to Heaven or Hell. BEING GAY (or any other Sin) IS NOT THE ISSUE!!! U either "Accept or Reject" Christs work on the cross for "Salvation" Period!!! This is what Scripture says, NOT me, (although I Agree) so if U have a "Problem" with it see God, K? Here U go So On & So On, Enjoy!!! John

APA revises 'gay gene' theory

Charlie Butts - OneNewsNow - 5/14/2009 6:30:00

The attempt to prove that homosexuality is determined biologically has been dealt a knockout punch. An American Psychological Association publication includes an admission that there's no homosexual "gene" -- meaning it's not likely that homosexuals are born that way.

For decades, the APA has not considered homosexuality a psychological disorder, while other professionals in the field consider it to be a "gender-identity" problem. But the new statement, which appears in a brochure called "Answers to Your Questions for a Better Understanding of Sexual Orientation & Homosexuality," states the following:

"There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles...."

That contrasts with the APA's statement in 1998: "There is considerable recent evidence to suggest that biology, including genetic or inborn hormonal factors, play a significant role in a person's sexuality."

Peter LaBarberaPeter LaBarbera, who heads Americans for Truth About Homosexuality, believes the more recent statement is an important admission because it undermines a popular theory.

"People need to understand that the 'gay gene' theory has been one of the biggest propaganda boons of the homosexual movement over the last 10 [or] 15 years," he points out. "Studies show that if people think that people are born homosexual they're much less likely to resist the gay agenda."

Matt Barber with Liberty Counsel feels the pronouncement may have something to do with saving face. "Well, I think here the American Psychological Association is finally trying to restore some credibility that they've lost over the years by having become a clearly political organization as opposed to an objective, scientific organization," he states. (Hear audio report)

With the new information from the APA, Barber wonders if the organization will admit that homosexuals who want to change can change.

Matt Barber"It's irrefutable from a medical standpoint that people can leave the homosexual lifestyle," he argues. "Homosexuality is defined by behavior. Untold thousands of people have found freedom from that lifestyle through either reparative therapy or through -- frankly, most effectively -- a relationship with Jesus Christ."

LaBarbera agrees. "Change through Christ is possible -- and it's one of the most heartwarming aspects of the whole gay debate," he shares. "Many men and women have come out of homosexuality, mostly through a relationship with Jesus Christ. The fact that these professional organizations will not study that, will not acknowledge that, shows how 'in the tank' they are for the homosexual movement."

LaBarbera stresses that even though elites will not recognize the change, that does not mean the change does not exist. In fact, both Barber and LaBarbera believe that God changes people through Christ -- regardless of the sin.

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So On and So On — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:34:59 GMT

Dear Valarie, Is there such a thing as wind? Do You know where the wind starts or where it is going? So such is the spirit of God. Acts8:26-39 an angel of the Lord was sent to Phillip a disciple to meet a Eunuch whom was trying to teach himself the word of God. Phillip met the Eunuch and start to preach the word of God to Him and then Phillip baptize the Eunuch. Thus started Christian Gays.

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Cathy — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:43:17 GMT

rrandybear, you just proved my point.You unlike myself have to resort to name calling. You maybe gay but you are certainly not acting like a christian. May God bless you and help you to see the light. Why would you want to attack people for stating their opinion? I certainly didn't attack you for your views nor call you names. I would never do that because I want to act like the christian person that I am. May God richly bless you.

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Cathy — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 00:22:00 GMT

Leviticus 20:13-If a man also lie with mankind. as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

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rrandytbear — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:15:40 GMT

Valarie!

Honey, please read the entire Book of Leviticus and explain why you (or anyone else) is taking out that one prohibition. I CHALLENGE YOU TO READ IT ALL AND SEE HOW MUCH YOU ARE DOING WHICH IS ALSO FORBIDDEN IN THIS VERY ANCIENT HOLINESS CODE-- WHICH IS SIMPLY IGNORED TODAY!

DO YOU HAVE THE COMMON DECENCY TO DO THIS BEFORE PICKING OUT ONE PASSAGE AND USING IT TO CONDEMN? IF IT WERE ALL CORRECT, YOU WOULD BE IN BIG TROUBLE!!!!

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DrStrangelove — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 03:55:07 GMT

Valarie, please note that Leviticus is in the Old Testament. The law was fulfilled at Golgotha!

But folks, if one of those gay cretins trys to lay his AIDS laden hands on any member of my family, he will first meet my two sons (who have families to protect from queers and druggies) and then me.

Trust me, it isn't a healthy place to be: I have an attitude about child molesters.

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Moosemose — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:56:12 GMT

"Dear Gayaby", haven't we been 'Round' on this before??? I not only Answered U on All Points, but when I did, U went away! Many people may not have the Scripture Study that I do Including U!!! So please don't try (like all Ur Ilk) to tell them how wonderful Ur "Chosen Lifestyle" is & Force it upon them with this type of Attack that Can & Has been "De-Bunked & Explained" by simply going back to the Original Texts, Background History, Customs, Dietary Laws etc. which were designed for the Protection of the Peoples by God!!! Ur "Chosen Lifestyle" if only on the Medical Aspect should be Avoided to Prevent the spread of AIDS which if U dispute should only Prove Ur Ignorance of the Entire "Gay Issue"!!! So Again, if U have a "Problem" with "God & His Word", take it up with Him as we didn't write the Scriptures God did!!! And again, don't try the old "God didn't write it, man did", because U know that is a LIE!!! God told man Exactly what to Write & they did!!! Lets face it, there was homsexuality when this was written & partially accepted for the time by many peoples, so for someone to take a "Stance Against being Gay" it had to be Directed by God under Fear of His Rath or it would never have been done!!! As the saying goes: "Let the sleeping dog lay!"!!! It would have been much easier to just say nothing than to speak out! If being "Gay" was "Meant to Be", God would Not have made a Man & Woman! It Didn't happen that way, it has Always been a Man & Womans' CHOICE of LIFESTYLE , so U Live "With It" & We will "Live Without It" in Gods' Love towards U, but Not Ur Sin just as Any Others Sin. No matter how Hard Ur group tries, U can Never Force People to "Like U" , so have Ur "Queerless Leader Obummer" pass all the "Executive Orders" U want, it will Never Work!!! OBTW, God won't "Buy" Ur "Excuses" either, but I've told U All this before as I'm sure others have as well. John

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rrandytbear — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 03:25:02 GMT

Valarie and Moose: since you think homosexuality is a choice, just choose not to be one! And that really should take care of the entire problem for you both! Stay out of other people's bedrooms and don't worry yourselves silly over what you think God thinks!

Just in passing... what creates any of these discussions is the notion of "gentlemen" like Moose that every gay guy is out to get him! Chances are very slim, dude! And Valarie, start being barefoot and pregnant and submissive to men, and you won't have to worry your pretty little head over gay people. Live and let live and let God be the final judge. You'll be surprised who is in Heaven and who isn't!

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rrandytbear — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 03:30:58 GMT

Moose,

Your point by point answers could only make sense to other bible camp dudes with serious lusts for their ugly female campers.

If you want to really show some ignorance try to re-word the loveing comments of Jonathan and David. I mean, these two dudes were into each other more that your televangelists today!

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Moosemose — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:34:19 GMT

Gayaby U can try to "Excuse/Legitamize" U "Lifestyle" any way U want, but even in the "Non-Quoted Scripture" U mention, there is NO "Recomendation / Admonishment" to "Engage" in Ur Lifestyle Period!!! Gods' Scripture calls it a "Sin / Abomination" More than ANY OTHER SIN, Why??? Must be pretty bad in Gods' thinking??? And if that's the case, (and it is) it would take a Very Un-Stable / Sick / Twisted Mind to believe that engaging in that Practice could Ever be "Pleasing" or bring one "Close to God"!!! Now speaking of "Un-Stable", in one paragraph U tell Valerie & I to stay out of "Others Bedrooms" & then in the Very Next Paragraph U start a Discourse towards Us Concerning our "Bedroom Practices" as U Presume (Erroniously) to Know what they Are!!! This of course is but One of the Stereo-Typical Flaws we can Always Depend on Seeing from the Abomination Practicioners of today.   John

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So On and So On — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 20:33:26 GMT

Moosemose, Ur lifestyle is not Pleasing to God either. God would rather that no one marry. But because of the lust yes lust of the people Ur lifestyle God made a covernt with the people Ur life style. The bible says nothing about lust and Homosexuals. Man should not lay with a man like to a woman. That for the people of your lifestyle.

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Moosemose — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 23:54:42 GMT

U & Urs just Realy Don't Get it do U??? How many times must I say that Ur "Gay Lyfestyle" is Just a Sin, as any Other but FROM SCRIPTURE, NOT ME HELLO , God seems to make more of it than Other Sins!!! Now Please do Urself a favor, sit there & just let that Soak a while K? Those U Mention I do not know, but in Scripture, Christ addresses an "Issue" concerning the "Arrogant Person" who stands on the corner beating his chest & Proclaiming Out Loud his "Prayers" & his "Giving" habbits. Christ says that these people have already received their "Reward" (read 5 minutes of Fame) & they won't get Anything in Heaven!!! If They Practice Ur Chosen Lifestyle & God says it's WRONG, what is wrong with Ur thinking to believe that they are So "Great"??? So like now Ur "Judgment" is Superior to Gods'??? Ok, so U send them to Ur Heaven would U??? Because Unless they Except Christ they cannot enter Gods' Heaven!!! As I told U now for the 5-6th. time Sin in NOT the ISSUE, CHRIST IS!!! U know Ur WRONG & that is why U try to change the Issue to Other Things/People (Genetics/Bishops) & will Never Accept Responsibility for Ur Decisions!!!   John

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rrandytbear — Thu, 23 Jul 2009 01:36:49 GMT

Look Dude! I understand what you are saying, and I reject your judgemental nonsense. You have not, in any possible way, shown me that being gay is any more of a choice than you made a choice to be straight. You have a very deep interest in this subject, which is usually true of men who call themselves straight and have great desires for other men sexually. You may be repressing these desires and seem jealous of guys who are honest about how God created them. What you do with your penis is your business, and I what I do with mine is my business. I'll trust God much more than someone who appears to be, no offense, a closet case!

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Moosemose — Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:30:56 GMT

Where do U People (?) come from??? I suggest U read Genesis 2:15-25 & Deuteronomy 5:21 so that Others won't Laugh at Ur Ignorance of the Word of God, the Holy Scriptures!!! And it wouldn't hurt if U stopped Smoking whatever it is several hours before trying to "Write or Operate a Vehicle" !!! To wit I Post for U Edification.   Enjoy!!!   John

Gen 2:15 And Jehovah God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
Gen 2:16 And Jehovah God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Gen 2:17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Gen 2:18 And Jehovah God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a help meet for him.
Gen 2:19 And out of the ground Jehovah God formed every beast of the field, and every bird of the heavens; and brought them unto the man to see what he would call them: and whatsoever the man called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
Gen 2:20 And the man gave names to all cattle, and to the birds of the heavens, and to every beast of the field; but for man there was not found a help meet for him.
Gen 2:21 And Jehovah God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof:
Gen 2:22 and the rib, which Jehovah God had taken from the man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
Gen 2:23 And the man said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Gen 2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife , and were not ashamed.

Deu 5:21 Neither shalt thou covet thy neighbor's wife; neither shalt thou desire thy neighbor's house, his field, or his man-servant, or his maid-servant, his ox, or his ass, or anything that is thy neighbor's.

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So On and So On — Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:49:15 GMT

There is no denying that God made Eve from the rib of Adam the bible says so. For edification: You are not saved and You should accept the Lord as your Savior. For if You where, You would not say the things that you do. Also when a person says That Jesus Christ is the son of God. They are not in trouble of going to hell. Gay or Straight. Peace be with You

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So On and So On — Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:55:12 GMT

Chathy, What do You mean showed You the truth? Are You gay?

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So On and So On — Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:03:56 GMT

durtbag, He whom brought You out of Eygpt through Moses does not condem christian Homosexuals. Why? Because of Abarham the father of faith has many childrens and nations.

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durtbag — Thu, 23 Jul 2009 22:00:57 GMT

So on & so on: I did not auther the law, but I stand by the GOD who did.

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Moosemose — Thu, 23 Jul 2009 22:51:52 GMT

So, I'm "Not Saved" & U have Proof??? WoW! Like Story at 10:00pm is that it??? Well, I guess I just wasted 8 years of formal Training & Education at Dallas Theological Seminary to receive my Doctorate of Divinity to make Homosexuals 'Uncomfortable' here is that it??? Who would be So committed just to deal with Ur likes??? I'd say that shows real Sacrifice & Christian Love Abounding!!! "For if You were, You would not say the things that U do." What I say is in Perfect Harmony with the Scriptures which IS Gods' Holy Word! So, Once Again, Take Ur 'Beef up with God'!!! "If U can't do the Time, Don't Do the Crime"!!! Just as in Scripture I call a 'Spade a Spade'. But I suppose U don't like to 'Look in the Mirror' much huh? How about the "Reverend Wright, Sharpton, Jackson", Do U get along well with those 'Boys of the Cloth'??? "Also when a person says That Jesus Christ is the son of God. (who?) They are not in trouble of going to hell. Gay or Straight." What are U trying to say??? Ur certainly not Quoting Me!!! One more time for the Scripturally Challanged K? SIN, GAY OR STRAIGHT IS NOT THE ISSUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Only a Truly Repentant Person Believing in Jesus Christ goes to Heaven, PERIOD!!! How many Times do I have to say it for U People??? Do U think I might "Slip Up" & Change it overnight or if U ask it enough times??????????   John

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So On and So On — Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:37:28 GMT

So do I stand by God(I am). The homosexual law is for those who change their way. It does not apply to ones birth right.

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So On and So On — Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:51:58 GMT

I take God's word (Jesus) as serious as You and any other Christian. However, To say that a Gay Christian can't be as sincere about God's word is wrong, and I suggest You revisit what natural ways God is referring to.

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rrandytbear — Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:24:27 GMT

I would very much like to know where I can go for complete documentation of the story you tell.

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Moosemose — Sat, 08 Aug 2009 01:18:44 GMT

Here U go So On & So On! U "SAY" UR A "CHRISTIAN" BUT THE BIBLE SAYS UR NOT!!! IF UR A CHRISTIAN, THEN U KNOW THE SCRIPTURE IS NEVER WRONG AS GODS' HOLY WORD, NOT MINE, HIS!!!   John

Rom 1:17 For therein is revealed a righteousness of God from faith unto faith: as it is written, But the righteous shall live by faith.
Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hinder the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 because that which is known of God is manifest in them; for God manifested it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, even his everlasting power and divinity; that they may be without excuse:
Rom 1:21 because that, knowing God, they glorified him not as God, neither gave thanks; but became vain in their reasonings, and their senseless heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God for the likeness of an image of corruptible man, and of birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things.
Rom 1:24 Wherefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts unto uncleanness, that their bodies should be dishonored among themselves:
Rom 1:25 for that they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile passions: for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due.
Rom 1:28 And even as they refused to have God in their knowledge, God gave them up unto a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not fitting;
Rom 1:29 being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 backbiters, hateful to God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 without understanding, covenant-breakers, without natural affection, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 who, knowing the ordinance of God, that they that practise such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but also consent with them that practise them.

1Co 2:12 But we received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is from God; that we might know the things that were freely given to us of God.
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Spirit teacheth; combining spiritual things with spiritual words.
1Co 2:14 Now the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him; and he cannot know them, because they are spiritually judged.
Jas 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation; for when he hath been approved, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord promised to them that love him.
Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempteth no man:
Jas 1:14 but each man is tempted, when he is drawn away by his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then the lust, when it hath conceived, beareth sin: and the sin, when it is fullgrown, bringeth forth death.
Jas 1:16 Be not deceived, my beloved brethren.
Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom can be no variation, neither shadow that is cast by turning.
Jas 1:18 Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
Jas 1:19 Ye know this, my beloved brethren. But let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:
Jas 1:20 for the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
Jas 1:21 Wherefore putting away all filthiness and overflowing of wickedness, receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deluding your own selves.
Jas 1:23 For if any one is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a mirror:
Jas 1:24 for he beholdeth himself, and goeth away, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.

RE: Is it God's Work to condemn Homosexuals?

Rocmike3 — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:47:04 GMT

The fact is that gays are no different from anyone else, with a few little tiny exceptions:

1. They are sex addicts. Gays are uncontrollable sex addicts, are much too easily seduced, will divulge classified information to anyone who titilates them, and are therefore such a severe disciplinary problem that none of these people are ever to be trusted. They have proved that fact repeatedly and they still insult our intelligence with idiot denial games.

2. They are absolutely stuck on sympathy games and will do absolutely any horrific thing to themselves to get sympathy. That explains all their self-inflicted injuries and their pathological malingering. You're breaking my heart, fudgepackers! Go find a sheep to molest, and stay away from my grandkids, pederast gays!

3. They are utterly selfish, irresponsible, and stupid. If it doesn't feel good sexually, they absolutely will not do it. If they don't instantly get their way, they overreact, and whine the most disgusting snivel that ever made a real man puke.

Anyone stupid enough to play around with AIDS is so stupid that he deserves to die that horrible way.

Doubtless the worst thing about our gay supremacist cult is that they play deceptive games, and pretend that we are tyrannizing them, when in fact they have dealt in repetitive psychopathic provocation.

In short, limp-wrists, keep your grubby mitts to yourselves. Yes, that means you, perverts!

Got that?

RE: Is it God's Work to condemn Homosexuals?

rrandytbear — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:25:28 GMT

Sex addicts-- never to be trusted.........irresponsible....selfish....stupid.... There is no need to read more of this response. Bigots crave attention and cannot support most of the irrational and untrue statements they make. Case in point is Rocmike3!!!

RE: Is it God's Work to condemn Homosexuals?

Rocmike3 — Tue, 11 Aug 2009 04:21:58 GMT

Per Rrandybear:

Sex addicts-- never to be trusted.........irresponsible....selfish....stupid.... There is no need to read more of this response. Bigots crave attention and cannot support most of the irrational and untrue statements they make. Case in point is Rocmike3!!!

Thank you, Rrandybear, for proving each and every one of my contentions exactly, elegantly, and forcibly.

Just because you are utterly addicted to one junkie-like sexual thrill after another -- by any means possible -- proves that you are a sex addict and will go through all the extremes that drug addicts all go through to get drugs, to get your next kinky sexual "high." The result is every bit as self destructive, and sex addicts who do not get regular "fixes" become belligerent, hostile, and just plain dangerous.

Most clearly, sex addicts and drug addicts will always resort to absolutely any insulting game to deny their surly and reprobate addiction. No rational person has ever bought your games. Get used to it: we who have the decency that God gave alleycats will not take part in your sex-addict games. We who have healthy relationships with persons of the opposite sex donot crave the intense "highs" that you crave so intensely. We who live free of your sex addiction make you nervous.

Get used to it: that fact is absolutely never going to change.

Because of the well documented fact that all addictions are purely disciplinary and moral issues, it is therefore absolutely obvious that you are so undisciplined and immoral that you absoilutely will not take the cure because living a healthy lifestyle is beyond your severely limited capabilities.

Resort to all the games and lies that you will: you have AIDS and will die horribly from it. But because of the equally settled fact that you absolutely must get new meat as often as your cravings get the better of you, then you will force others to come down with AIDS who would have lived clean, long, healthy, and wholesome lives except for you.

If you get angry seeing these facts on screen, then it is because it is absolutely true of you and shall remain so forever.

RE: Is it God's Work to condemn Homosexuals?

rrandytbear — Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:49:45 GMT

Your answer, once again, shows stupidity, bigotry and a totally fictionalized view of how how gay people live.  You would not found this prototype in 1/2% of gay people. The AIDS reference is so dated! Does it apply to the children in Africa as well?

You have cossed most of the ethical bounds of this site with your hatred and your paranoia. Might I suggest that you are just an old man who is unable to "rise to the occasion" sexually.... and what you now display is hatred for homosexuals who do have sex. Yes, you are jealous and unhappy that others don't find you sexually attractive, but don't hassle other men who can still make use of the penis God gave them.

RE: Is it God's Work to condemn Homosexuals?

Kid — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 03:50:40 GMT

Homosexuality is a sin like all other sins, it can be forgiven through repentance to God in the name of Jesus Christ. However, God felt that this was a serious sin among other sins, for God put a death penalty behind it:

Lev 18:22
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. (KJV)

Lev 20:13
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. (KJV)

Obviously our society does not execute Gays and Lesbians, and we are supposed to live by the laws of our land {Titus 3:1, 1st Pet 2:13-16}. Homosexuality is also spoken against in the New Testament but there is no death penalty mentioned. I only state that because there are 'unbalanced' people who would read something into that. No one could be condemned under God's law without a trial: "One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established." {Deut 19:15} , and we don't try Homosexuals in our day so don't anyone think that I am advocating death penalties for Gays. In fact, in the Old Testament the sin of adultery also carries a death sentence, as does idolatry... Enough said about that. God will do the judging and He will administer punish in a number of ways.

Rom 1:26-28
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature :
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly , and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient (KJV)

1 Tim 1:8-11
8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind , for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust. (KJV)

1 Cor 6:9-11
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate , nor abusers of themselves with mankind ,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. (KJV)

Sin is sin, you must repent of every sin you commit or you will be 'charged' with it on Judgment Day. But a Homosexual who has perverted sex with another of his/her gender is no more or less in jeopardy of going to Hell than I would be if I went over to my neighbors house and committed adultery with his wife - we would both be in danger of the Judgment! But then if after the sin was committed, myself and the person who had engaged in prohibited gay sex both were to repent to God for our sins and try harder not to commit them again, then that particular one incident of sin would be forgiven by the Blood of the Lamb Jesus Christ for both of us (if we are Christian believers).

What if we do it again? Well we better be trying not to, for God is not one to be 'toyed with,' but He understands the weakness of mankind. repentance means to have a change of heart, to understand that what was done was wrong, and to have a mind to try to change. You cannot simply just go through the motions of 'repenting' to cover your b*tt, you must be sincere; And no, you don't need a Priest to repent with, you repent to God in personal heartfelt prayer (simple words from your heart to your Heavenly Father), not to some man out loud, who may be worse off than you! Along with repentance, ask God for the strength to overcome the urge to participate in whatever thing you are having trouble with, God will help you.

Matt 11:25-30
25 At that time Jesus answered and said , I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.
27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. KJV)

Heb 13:5-6
5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee .
6 So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me. KJV)

But sin and salvation are two separate things. Salvation is a gift of Grace by God to us through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. We must believe that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God, who died on the cross, rose again the third day, and is seated at the right hand of God. Do that and you have fulfilled the 'minimum requirements' (for lack of a better term) for salvation:

John 3:15-21
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. (KJV)

But there are rewards in Heaven that last an eternity "And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints." {Rev 19:8} , these rewards are for those who please God. Pray to God to help you with your weaknesses, He will! But there is something far worse and evil indeed going on with the 'Gay issue' than the Gays going about their disobedience. There are supposed men of God, preachers/priests that are telling Gays that what they are doing is Ok with God now.

These false teachers/preachers will bear the sins along with those that they have mislead. There will be far more false teachers who lie about God's Word in Hell than there will be those deceived by them! But God be the Judge, and thank God for that, for if man were our Judge none of us would have a chance.

Jer 23:19-27
19 Behold, a whirlwind of the LORD is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked.
20 The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly.
21 I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.
22 But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings.
23 Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off?
24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.
25 I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed.
26 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart;
27 Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal. KJV)

I'll close this with an excerpt from elsewhere on this site along with a picture of a Priestess preaching at the foot of the Altar to little children wearing the 'Gay Pride' colored scarf over her priest robes - how nice. Oh well, I guess 'anything for a buck' in the churches now-a-days - sad!

Alternative lifestyles, Homosexuality, and Lesbianism

        Its against God's law, even though satan's false teachers/preachers whom have infiltrated God's Ministries say it's a-okay. And no this is not an attempt to 'gay bash' anyone, not anymore than we would 'adulterer bash,' or 'thief bash' anyone. We do not have the power nor the right to judge anyone. But they also do not have the power nor the right to say that sin is not sin. And we are to discern the right from the wrong, and it is not passing judgment on someone to observe that they go against what God tells us in His holy written Word, the Bible, because the next thing you know they will be having our children doing it until the wrong becomes right and the right becomes 'ignorance' or 'prejudice.' How far are we really from that now?

Isa 29:16
16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding? (KJV)

        In our churches today, over-tolerance is diluting the Word of God and allowing satan's false religions to creep into Christianity. Just one example of this is that instead of Christians refraining from perversion, the so-called false preachers are creating entire congregations for homosexuals embracing the activities that God commanded that should not be done. They even dare to raise the standard (flag) of 'gay-pride' in the house of God (notice the 'Gay Pride' rainbow colors on the scarf of the Priestess in photo at right). (The caption reads: Rev. Karen L. Hutt conducts the children's message service before the mostly black and gay congregation at the Church of the Open Door on the Southwest Side [Chicago] ).

        It is by tactics like these that satan will so blur the lines between good and evil, right and wrong, true and false, that God's truth will be lost to a deceived world. It is that pitifully deceived world that will be led into the great apostasy of worshipping the false christ (antichrist) thinking him to be the True Messiah.

        And they dare not object for fear of being 'Politically Incorrect,' they just trudge through their useless (to God) lives with an 'anything goes' tolerant attitude that will allow satan to have his way with God's children.

        The saddest and most revolting fact of all is that the Christian has been brainwashed into thinking that 'tolerance' is what God wants from His people; Or they have been scarred out of making a stand, either way they are of no use to God in these troublous times, they are part of the problem.

        'Tolerance' simply means that you agree not to stand against anything no matter how wrong or perverted it is. God knew:

Rev 3:15-17
15    I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16    So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
17    Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked. (KJV)

Homosexuality is a sin, but like any sin you commit, God can forgive you of it through the Blood of Christ if you ask and believe upon Him. Honest and heartfelt prayer to our Heavenly Father will help you overcome those urges, just as with any self destructive urges like adultery, alcoholism, pornography, drug addiction, obesity....

        And NO ! God did not make gay people that way! That's just a lie from those with a gay agenda. Babies don't have sexual desires, but as they grow up they are influenced by perversion and the 'dare to be different' syndrome. If an adolescent as they first begin to experience sexual urges meet with a Homosexual who gratifies them sexually, then they (the adolescent) will unconsciously identify gay sex with pleasure. Then place that poor deceived adolescent into our modern world where those who knew better remained mute for fear of censure, while the perverted with ungodly agendas constantly placed Homosexuality on the television, in movies, rock videos, newspapers, Constitutions, billboards - what do expect? And who really failed God more, the Christian or the Homosexual?!?   In most mainstream Universities it is now considered 'cool' to be bi-sexual. And AIDS victims are somehow considered 'victims of the struggle.' Despite what the corrupted compromised media propaganda machine tells you, it is some 1000 times harder for a man to get AIDS from a woman that from another man. But the press has sold it's soul long ago.

Just as with any addiction or perversion you will only be in bondage to it as long as you don't stand up and resist it. Satan's false teachers/preachers tell you that it's okay, and that God made you that way because they want you to continue in the sin. Misery loves company and the damned feel they can usurp God by popular opinion, convenience, and sheer numbers. God however, does not rule by popular opinion.

God does not honor satan's lies. When some fallen priest/pastor tells you Homosexuality is Ok with God, God does not honor that fools statement, and these men speak with no authority from God, even though they say they are men of God and dress like them. We are no more born gay than we are born adulterers or thieves, it's all about choice and obedience. If you enjoy being 'different' and disobedient, satan then moves into your heart with all manner of perversion. If you ask God to help you do the right thing and live according to His Word, He will!! And He knows none of us is perfect, He only wants us to try.

        There are Ministries on the Internet that are run by ex-homosexuals who help others out of the cult. Though I cannot endorse thier particular doctrinal teaching without studying it and comparing it to what the Bible teaches, which is something we all must do when studying the Bible with any group (especially on the WWW). But they may be like the AAA who help people get off the booze, maybe they can help you 'get off the guys.' A little pun there - sorry.

        In a short while we will be preparing an in-depth Bible study into the origins and cause and effect of homosexuality, with a look into the supernatural aspect. Sodom and Gomorrah had a lot of help. And you will notice a certain 'spirit' about most Homosexuals. If you are interested keep checking our 'What's New' section of our Homepage, or sign up for automatic E-mail notification of new study materials on our site.

        God bless! I hope our answer has not come off as being ‘hateful’ towards Gays, but there is a fine line between compassion and encouraging certain behaviors. It is our prayer that those locked into a Homosexual lifestyle will find freedom from it through Christ Jesus our Savior and the Lord God.

RE: Is it God's Work to condemn Homosexuals?

Kid — Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:48:30 GMT

Is Homosexuality Really A Sin?

As far as the laws of modern society, it may not be. But as far as the law of God, which is the paramount law that true Christians are concerned with, it shouldn't even be debatable. For the serious Bible believer (keyword being, serious ) any attempted defense for this sexual orientation would appear silly, or even laughable if it weren't so serious. God's Word on the matter is crystal clear, and it is not subject to either private interpretations, or the social or political climate of the day.

Leviticus 18:22-23

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion."

God plainly calls it an abomination, a disgusting act that is abhorrent to God. It is declared along with other unnatural acts such as sodomy and bestiality. God commanded a severe punishment upon anyone who would indulge in this abomination.

Leviticus 20:13

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

Can Homosexuals be Christians? This precept of God is unambiguous, concise, and plainly stated. And it bridges on the nonsensical to hear some people attempt to defeat the creator's condemnation of homosexuality. According to the law of God, this activity of a man lying sexually with another man, is a [towebah ] or abomination. In other words, it's something that is blatantly unclean and disgusting to God. This Hebrew word literally means something loathsome or detestable. So if we are to be led by the authority of the Holy scriptures, we must accept that homosexuality is something that is unnatural and abhorrent to God because it is against order of creation. Anyone attempting to make a defense of this act by claiming that it is not really sin, or that this merely addresses ritualistic abomination, has no real concept of the biblical principle that "God's Word is not subject to our private or personal interpretations ." In our day the plague of homosexuality is sweeping over the world like a malignant disease, and it lashes out against every moral, lawful, and chaste fiber of faithfulness and obedience to God. Yet instead of warning against this wickedness, most Christians are silent as it gains respectability, and even acceptability in some Churches. Instead of outrage, Christian pastors are speaking about toning it down, compassion, and of our need for tolerance. But these are euphemistic words for capitulation and compromise. In order to remain faithful to God, Christians must not be deceived, but continue to preach and teach against the growing apostasies such as homosexuality, divorce, fornication, abortion, adultery, and all forms of ungodly immorality. For these are perilous and deceptive times in which we live. The trial of our faith makes manifest the Godly, and those who simply have a form of Godliness.

2nd Timothy 3:1-5

"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away."

In great numbers people are lovers of themselves (what we today call humanism), covetous or materialistic, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures (hedonism) more than lovers of God. It is in this arena of degradation that we see not only the growth and tacit acceptance of homosexuality, but also the spurious denials by many that this is even a sin against God. Even though the law of God plainly declares that "If a man lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination," there are those who would remove God's words from the Bible with lips dripping with the juices of nullification. Nevertheless, God is not mocked, and transparent justifications will hide no one in the day of vengeance.

Does This Verse Only Condemn "Practicing" Homosexuality?

There has grown a school of thought in some Church circles that hypothesizes that Leviticus chapter twenty at best describes "practicing homosexuality ," and not homosexual ontology. But this defense is without scriptural validation. Moreover, saying that there are non-practicing homosexuals is akin to saying that there are non-practicing harlots, or non-practicing murderers. Why would any Christian want to call herself a harlot if they are no longer selling themselves? The answer of course is that, they wouldn't. It's really a ridiculous concept, and yet it has found favor in many Churches. There are those who want to be called Christian, but who also insist on retaining the title of Homosexual, or of being called a gay Christian. The reasons they give may vary, but it really all boils down to their attachment to the concept. i.e., though they profess to be of Christ, they really don't want to completely let go or surrender their life to Him. Keeping the name allows them to partially hold on to the delusion that it's really not a bad thing to be a homosexual. Is a non-practicing homosexual still guilty of homosexuality? Of course he is. Because the sin is in the very "thought process," not just the physical act itself. Would a Christian who has an adulterous thought pop into his head, then call himself a Christian adulterer? God forbid! Likewise, there is no such thing as a homosexual Christian. The mere fact that someone would have a desire to retain the title homosexual, while professing their new life in Christ, indicates that they have not yet truly repented of their sin. It is a confession that they desire to retain certain name rights to that former lifestyle.

The modernist would reply, "What's in a name?" I would answer that one who desires a name that signifies an abomination to God, must question "what's in his heart." For the very title homosexual delineates a sin against God, and illustrates a continuing mindset that is adversarial. This is the deception of our day that goes unchallenged. The wretched "political correctness" within our society wherein man looks upon homosexuality as not so much a deliberate sin, as it is an involuntary lifestyle. But a non-practicing homosexual is just as much in sin against God as a practicing one would be. For it is self-evident that he has not truly repented of his sin wherein he would no longer "desire" to be called homosexual. He doesn't yet understand that he cannot take upon himself the name of Christ, and also retain the name Homosexual. The terms are as mutually exclusive as the terms abominable and righteous. It's like saying that you are a "Christian Abomination," or that you are a "Christian Whore." No one would say those things because they realize that this type terminology is contradictory to Christianity, not something that can go hand in hand with it. Likewise, we cannot claim to be "Christian Homosexuals" because it is a contradiction in terms.

Will The Homosexual Be Saved?

According to some liberal philosophers in the Church, yes. But not according to the inerrant Word of God. Scripture states quite plainly that those who lay with man as with womankind, shall not enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Those are God's Words, not mine. There are those who choose to ignore it, or to make up their own laws and rules of doctrine for the Church, but if we will "receive" God's Word of truth, there can be no mistaking what God has said. If we are honest with ourselves, there can be no deceiving by rationalizing, or by nullification of His Words.

1st Corinthians 6:9

"...be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind , nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the Kingdom of God."

The caution by God that we, "be not deceived " alerts us that we should be aware that there will be those who will try and deceive us by claiming that these people "shall" inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. i.e., that adulterers, drunkards, and homosexuals can be Christian and inherit the kingdom. God says no, be not deceived, they shall not inherit it. And for Christians today to claim that they can (as so many do), is both confusion, and a denial of God's Words.

Of course, this does not mean that someone who was formerly an adulterer, drunkard, or homosexual, cannot ever in a period of weakness fall back into one of those sins. What it means is that they are a new creation whose desire will now be to do the will of God, and not their own. Thus they are no longer adulterers, homosexuals, or drunkards. So even if they should stumble and sin, they will no longer live in that sin, and their sins will be forgiven because they have an advocate in heaven, and His Spirit in themselves. Thus they have no desire to be called adulterers, homosexuals, or drunkards, for they understand that old things are passed away when they are set at liberty, and Grace is not license to continue in sin.

Galatians 5:13

"For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another."

How shall they that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? How can they who are called to grace and liberty use that to continue in sin? They will no longer live comfortably in their sin, but will eschew it, confess it, repent of it, and understand in their heart that it is evil. This will become something that which they want to distance themselves from, not keep near. They will not have the mindset that it is something they want to retain "name rights" to.

And indeed, I have heard those who arrogantly state:

"
I don't practice, but I'm a Homosexual, and proud of it. And I am a Christian, no matter what anyone says
."

With all due respect, this is merely another example of the insidious delusion of Satan. Is Homosexuality a sin? To be sure, it doesn't matter what I say, or what any other man says. But what does matter is what God says. And without judging, I'm afraid that the sad truth is, this man was probably no more a Christian, than Judas was in being one of the Apostles, or that cult leaders are in calling on the name of the Lord. They all delude themselves because they lack the spirit of truth. We can be former thieves, former pornographers, and former homosexuals, but we cannot be those things and be Christian also. A Christian is a "new" creation sealed with the Holy Spirit. And so they would no longer want to be called that which is abominable to God. Rather than a source of pride, this title would be an abomination to them, the same as they are to God.

Moreover, those pastors who teach such contradicting doctrines to homosexuals, deceive a great many of them into thinking they can have peace of mind, when in fact there is no peace with God. Thus, these pastors have the greater sin. For to say that a homosexual can inherit the kingdom is not only "dangerous" (as it gives those looking for an excuse, a false sense of security ), but it is also false prophecy. According to God's very own Words in 1st Corinthians 6:9, homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. But they need not fret, because former homosexuals, who have cast that name aside for the name of Christ, can.

Colossians 3:9-10

"Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:"

The casting of former things behind us is an integral part of the Salvation process. And unfortunately, that is what many professing Christians and Pastors do not understand.

Some Say That Word Simply Describes Temple Prostitution

The word in 1st Corinthians 6:9 which is translated "Abusers of themselves with mankind " in the KJV, is actually the Greek word [arsenokoites ], meaning "laying with a male." In the literal, to "bed with a male." This is the very same sin which God called an abomination Leviticus 20:13. This term is from the Greek words [arsen ], meaning male, and [koite ] meaning bed (from the root [keimai ], meaning lay). And combined in this context, they illustrate the sense of lying with a man sexually. God says there, unambiguously, that these shall not inherit the Kingdom of God. I didn't say that, God said that. And He said it as plain as it can be said. The half-baked theory that the objection may simply describe Temple Prostitution is a cocktail of conjecture and supposition. It's not an interpretation that has its foundation in the pertinent scriptures at all, it's a theory by those who study cultures that is totally unsubstantiated by Holy Canon. Clearly, the word there means to "lay a male". And for anyone to take that clearly understandable word, and inject it with an extra biblical self-serving interpretation that it really means men who sell themselves for money, is tortuous of the verse. In biblical terms, it is called "wresting" or twisting the scriptures to make them conform to man's own ideas. The truth is, it says not one word, not even one iota, jot or tittle about the Temple, nor about selling, nor about prostitution. To presuppose and then inject this secular idea into scripture, is in the final analysis "adding to God's Word." Not to mention the fact that we don't understand scripture in a vacuum, and this is not the only passage that condemns males lying with males, or what is today commonly called "Homosexuality." Every verse that speaks about this practice would have to be wrested in order to support such a conclusion.

But this is the kind of rationalization and self-justification that goes into the defense of breaking God's laws. It always starts (like the serpent in the garden with the words, "..hath God Said?" From there, Satan will proceed to sow the seed of doubt about what God actually said, and if He actually means it. Men are quick to "read into" the scriptures and inject their own biased agenda about what scripture means (though it didn't say ). Because they he can cast doubt on the Word of God really meaning, "men who lay with men ," then those who want to believe what is right in their own eyes will have an excuse to formulate their own rebellious views about homosexuality. And in their minds they can do so without having to blatantly call God's Word a lie. In self-justification they can declare, "..it's not that we don't believe God, it's just that we think we can interpret this another way." i.e., as if the biblical view is only your opinion.

We Are All Sinners, Aren't Homosexuals Just Sinners Too?

Yes, this is true. But Christians are not Homosexuals. Neither are they Whores, Thieves, Murderers and Drunkards. The distinction is that these are not terms for Christians. There is a difference between being a homosexual, and being a sinner, and it's not just semantics. We may fall into sin, but we will not any longer live that former lifestyle. Because of the Spirit that dwells within us, we have an earnest desire to repent or turn away from it. Not a desire to retain the title in order to keep some "vicarious" pleasure in it, but to make it as "dead" to us. This will be our sincere desire when we become true Christians. Those very verses we have read illustrate just this particular principle.

1st Corinthians 6:9-11

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God".

And such WERE some of you, but not anymore. That's the mindset of a true Christian. Not one of, "I still want to be called Homosexual," but one of, "Such as I was once, but not anymore." They are washed now, that they may not continue being a homosexual, even though they might fall into that sin, they will not live it. They will repent of it and grow in grace. That is the mind of Christ, and the mindset of a true Christian.

Romans 6:1-4

"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life".

We walk in newness of life because the old man is passed away. How can we walk in newness of life while calling ourselves harlots still, or drunkards still, or homosexuals still? Jesus, through His Spirit, can help the homosexual stop living in this destructive lifestyle. He can remove the sensual desire for a person of the same sex. But homosexuals will never understand this truth if professed Christians keep telling them that they can remain a homosexual, and still be a Christian.

Hebrews 11:6

"But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him".

We witness to them that becoming a Christian means that we have had a new birth (2nd Corinthians 5:17). God not only forgives us and cleanses us from all unrighteousness (1st John 1:9), but he give us His Spirit, that gives us the strength to not sin that way anymore (Romans 8:26). Jesus wonderfully forgave the women caught in adultery, but He also told her, "..go and sin no more." (John 8:11). Truth, inspires change.

But The Word Homosexual Is Not In Scripture

The fact is, the actual word homosexuality is merely a modern tradition. It is simply a two-bit word describing the vile affections of men who lay with men, and women who lay with women. It doesn't have to be in scripture, because what the word represents is in scripture. Just as the word embezzlement is a traditional two-bit word which means stealing. Annulment is a traditional two-bit word meaning divorce. Abortion is a traditional two-bit word meaning killing babies. These words are euphemisms generally devised to hide or cloak the harsh reality of their true meaning. They are used so that it makes whatever it defines somewhat easier for people to accept. That's why the term has even changed again to "gay." I mean really, who's going to accept it if we say, "I'm going to kill my child before it's born." That's why it is replaced with the word "abortion," or now even less harsh words. But God has no such political agendas, and He calls these sins exactly what they are. He calls homosexuality, vile affections, men lying with men, and women with women, doing that which is unseemly and abominable. That's what God calls it. Simply claiming the english word Homosexual is not in the scriptures does not loose man from the laws of God against the practice. We can eliminate the word Homosexual all together and call it what the Bible does. But in our day, it's not considered politically correct, or being a loving Christian (gasp) to call anything by the term the scriptures give it. Nevertheless, it may not be politically correct, but it is Biblically incorrect to say anything less than the scriptures say.

Some Churches Say The Homosexual Gene Is A God Given Inherited Nature

That is not only a ludicrous statement, it is a blasphemous statement. Heresy in the Church is almost as old as dirt, and it's growing by leaps and bounds today. It's not what some Churches or scientists say that counts, it's what God says that is our authority. Homosexuality is not a nature that men are born with (except it is the nature of sin), it embodies all that is "AGAINST" the nature of God. These people are brainwashed by an arrogant immoral society, and have totally forsaken God's Word for the wisdom of the world. But consider that real wisdom is in what God says. And He declares it is not natural, it is just the opposite.

Romans 1:26-27

"For this cause God gave them up to vile affections: for even their women did change the Natural use into that which is Against Nature!

And likewise also the men, leaving the Natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one towards another; Men with Men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet."

And so we see once again that God's Word is 180 degrees opposite of what the world, wise in their own conceits, claim is true. The homosexual lust in people is not born of his God given nature, it is not an alternative lifestyle, and it is not natural affection. It is just as God says, it's vile [atimia ] or disgraceful affections, and it is unseemly [aschemosune ], indecent or shameful behavior. Who are we to believe? As saith the scripture, "let God be true and every man a liar" -Romans 3:4. A man has a natural nature, and so does the woman. To pervert that nature is an abomination to God, a grievous sin against his created order.

Deuteronomy 22:5

"The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God."

The specific scriptural text forbidding cross dressing, the visible perversion of homosexuality, shows us quite plainly that God looks upon these unnatural acts, not as frivolous, an alternative lifestyle, or as harmless fun, but as an abomination. The fact is, God has always been crystal clear on the matter, it is man who tries to distort God's Words for his own selfish purposes. It is society who tries to make up their own rules and laws governing what is natural and what is not. To the rationalization that, "it's just how some people are born," God says, be not deceived! It's not natural affection, it's not God given nature, it's sin against God and nature. And it's illogical and irrational for anyone professing to be a Christian to claim that God gave this nature to some people. Those who want to insist homosexuality is natural or God given, do so at their own peril. But as for me and my house, we believe God when He says it is ungodly, unnatural, and vile. The doctrines and rationalizations going on in the Church today about homosexuality would have been unbelievable just fifty years ago, but now so much of the Church is depraved that it's considered "Christian love" to encourage them, and an act of compassion to not tell them of the wages of such sin. But nothing could be further from the truth. Homosexuals are what they are because of their sin nature. If I am a habitual fornicator, can I claim I'm that way because I have a gene which makes me lust after women? Most certainly not, because sin is in all of us and cannot be excused by simply saying it's in the genes. Do I have a gene that makes me a drunkard? Society would say so. Do I have a gene that makes me a criminal? Sure, all things are possible when you throw the Bible out the window in favor of scientists' declarations. The truth is, we all have the gene. It's called, "the stain of sin," and it has been passed down from generation to generation since the fall. Anything more than that, is self-serving rationalization.

Are Heterosexuals, Heterosexuals, Because Of Their Sin Nature Too?

Some people have attempted to equate Homosexual activity with Heterosexual activity. This of course is the obligatory "Straw Man." It seems that there is one in almost every argument. But equating heterosexuality to homosexuality, is like equating sexual activity, with fornication. It can't righteously be done. One is always a sin, and the other may not be. A heterosexual relationship is not a sin so long as it's done lawfully in the bounds of marriage. While homosexual relationships are sin at "anytime." Even non-practicing homosexual relationships are sin because (like adultery) the sin has it's genesis in the mind. And so to equate the two is like comparing apples and oranges. One is always unnatural and vile affection in God's eyes, and the other is a natural union between a man and woman who are married. Now if they were to equate homosexuality with fornication (unlawful sexual activity ) then they would have a case. But that would defeat their purpose in trying to justify the act. But to equate it with heterosexual activity is flat out ridiculous.

1st Peter 3:1-4-7

"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

without natural affection, truce breakers, false ACCUSERS, incontinent, fierce, despisers of THOSE that are good. Traitors, heady, high minded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

having a FORM of Godliness, but denying the POWER thereof: from such turn away."

I.e., those who claim the name of Christ, and yet who will deny God's Word, are to be expected in life, and even more so in the latter days of great tribulation. From such, faithful Christians are commanded to turn away, as these perilous times were not unforeseen by God.

Why Then Are Some Churches Teaching This?

Two things that we should remember is that all those who call themselves by the name of Christ, or of Christ (Christian), are not truly Christian. And all false Churches and gospels have the distinct ability to totally ignore God's written Word about anything that they choose. They do so in order that they may follow the teachings that they want to follow. Whether doctrines of homosexuality, or of tacitly condoning abortion, women pastors, charismatics, signs and wonders, or any other false gospel, there will always be those who support some unbiblical doctrine. And it usually boils down to the same common denominator. They all "reject" the accumulative written Word of God that says one thing, in order that they can take something out of context and believe what is right in their own eyes. Whether it is what their Church leaders say, or what society deems appropriate, or what they want, there are always ways around scripture. And usually it's by saying that, "this verse doesn't really mean what is written."

Jude 1:7

"Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."

The sin of unlawful unnatural sex, or men going after strange flesh, is clearly prohibited. The Greek word translated strange is [heteros ] meaning other, or different. i.e., man not "naturally" going after woman, but after "other" or strange flesh. Indeed the city of Sodom is where we get the word Sodomy. And God declares here that Sodom is set forth as an example of the wages of this unnatural fornication of going after strange flesh. From the old to the New testament, the very same warning of this city as an example is repeated by inspiration of God.

2nd Peter 2:6

"And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly.."

Clearly, the example of Sodom is for us who live today, that we might read of it and learn, and remember why God judged them. Sadly, many Churches today have forgotten or either refuse to be taught by God's lessons. They read, but they don't "spiritually" hear what they read. They look, but they don't "spiritually" see what they are looking at. They have no fear of God that they would receive His Word of truth that homosexuality is an abomination God. Their conscience is seared so that they can effectively completely wrest or ignore scripture without any pangs of guilt. They lack the true love of God that 1st John 5:2-3 declares is in keeping His Word. The love wherein there is an earnest desire to not only seek truth, but the humility to look at themselves honestly. They lack the reverential fear of God that His Word informs us is, "The Beginning of Wisdom."

When quoting God's Word, word for word, how many times have you heard the protest, "..well that's just your interpretation ." This is the power of the great deceiver, Satan. When man has no reverential fear, or conscience that would bother him when contradicting what God says, he is as lost in the wilderness. Many are so brainwashed and indoctrinated that denying the Word of God doesn't even register "as a denial" anymore. In other words, a spiritual blindness where they don't even look upon the Word being witnessed to them as God's Word, they look upon it as something that is coming from you personally. Something they can try and get around by any means necessary. It's merely an abstract apart from the Bible that is in the way of their views. And this is all because they don't really know God in the personal sense. They may know God intellectually, and may profess faith, but they deny God and faith by their action in refusing to keep His Word. As scripture says, having a form of Godliness, but denying the power thereof, which is the Holy Spirit. Like clouds with no water, carried about of winds, they cannot retain (keep) God's Word and this is why they can support homosexuality. The true Christian has the Spirit-led desire to preserve the Word of God faithfully, and that means not denying what it says for their own sakes. Being Biblically conservative was the norm for hundreds of years, but in our day it has fallen by the wayside.

Luke 8:15

"But that on the good ground are they, which in a HONEST and good heart, having heard the Word KEEP it, and bring forth fruit with patience."

In fact the very word "keep" that is used here means to 'hold fast,' to guard against loss, to preserve that it not suffer loss. True Christians are conservative with regards to scripture, for every true believer keeps (Preserves) God's word faithfully, by not denying it. They may sin, but they don't deny it is sin. They repent and thus keep or preserve God's Word as faithful. King David is a good example of this.

Many people call themselves by the name of Christ, and they have the notion that they are true believers, but God tells us that unless they are preservers of the Word of God, they are simply kidding themselves. They don't really know the Lord at all. And by the way, that's not "my word," this is what God says.

1st John 2:3-5

"And hereby we do KNOW that we know Him, IF we KEEP His commandments.

He that saith, I know Him, and KEEPETH NOT His commandments, is a Liar , and the truth is not in Him.

But whoso keepeth His word, in him verily is the Love of God perfected: HEREBY know we that we are in Him."

This is why some can make statements like, "Homosexuals can be Christians and still remain Homosexuals," or that "Jesus is Not really God," or that they personally "spoke to God in a unknown tongue last Sunday." Because they forsaken the Word and are blinded and deceived by their own lusts, feelings, teachers, or what seems right in their own eyes. Can Homosexuals be Christians? Is Homosexuality a Sin? Of course it is sin, and God says no they cannot inherit the Kingdom. Did I say that or did God say that? It is only the sinful prideful nature of fallen man that insists on denying such an obvious truth. It is better to humbly let God lead, rather than attempt to be our own god. All false Christians have the inherent pridefulness where they will not receive reproof of God by His Word. Just as the Scribes and Pharisees who knew the scriptures well, but they didn't know God, and so all their learning was useless as far as coming to truth.

2nd Timothy 3:7

"ever learning, and yet never able to come to the knowledge of TRUTH".

The acceptance of homosexuality is in the spirit of disobedience, not the Spirit of truth. It is a rebellious, haughty and lifted up spirit, not the broken and contrite spirit that receives God's truth. And most of all, it shows no spirit to do as 2nd Corinthians 13:5 exhorts. To examine ourselves with God's Word, and prove ourselves that we are truly in the faith, not just blindly following what we want to follow. These exhortations of God roll off many professed Christians' like water rolling off the back of a duck. They simply cannot seem to comprehend the truth that when they are reading scripture, it is actually God talking. It's not the writer's opinion, it's not a private interpretation, it's divinely inspired truth that God "fully expects" us to be obedient to.

So let us open our hearts to receive God's truth concerning Homosexuality. Society cannot define God's laws or change His immutable principles. The only way we will arrive at a Biblical consensus concerning this question of homosexuality is by "receiving" everything God has declared about it throughout His Holy Word. Christians need to make the effort and find the time to study the Bible with the mind of Christ that they are open to receive what it says. As bible believers we must all examine ourselves, read, think, judge, and pray, and God will enlighten anyone on the subject who is "honestly" seeking truth. "Seek and ye shall find" is a faithful promise. Let us then preach the unadulterated truth of scripture, and not the compromises and blasphemies that often pass for the gospel in our day.

And may the Lord who is rich in mercy and longsuffering, give us the wisdom to discern His truth, and the strength to make correct judgments and endure in time of trial.

RE: Is it God's Work to condemn Homosexuals?

BK Wright — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:16:17 GMT

Persons, and often entire factions of organized religion, misinterpret the words of Christ to make themselves feel good about their own beliefs, that is, they are so insecure about themselves and their own beliefs that in order to allay those insecurities, they feel compelled to belittle those who do not believe as they believe. Christ died for everyone! All who believe in him and accept him as their savior will be "saved." There is nowhere in the NEW TESTAMENT that Christ excludes ANY group. I emphasize NEW TESTAMENT because that is when Christ was alive, not the Old Testament. The word Christianity comes from Christ. I recently was told that I was wrong and that in Leviticus it stated clearly that homosexuality was wrong. This person who was stating this on Yedda also stated that Leviticus was in the New Testament; clearly, this person needs to read the Bible. Leviticus is the 3rd book in the Old Testament. Trust me, you were not "made" to be condemned!! I do believe that those who throw stones should look at their own lives and themselves before doing so. No one is sin-free. That is why Christ died -- for EVERYONE'S sins, not just for particular groups of people.

~B.K. Wright~

RE: Is it God's Work to condemn Homosexuals?

Kid — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 23:41:50 GMT

here branavian see if you have a issue with this answer.

Is Homosexuality A Sin

Is Homosexuality Really A Sin?

As far as the laws of modern society, it may not be. But as far as the law of God, which is the paramount law that true Christians are concerned with, it shouldn't even be debatable. For the serious Bible believer (keyword being, serious ) any attempted defense for this sexual orientation would appear silly, or even laughable if it weren't so serious. God's Word on the matter is crystal clear, and it is not subject to either private interpretations, or the social or political climate of the day.

Leviticus 18:22-23

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion."

God plainly calls it an abomination, a disgusting act that is abhorrent to God. It is declared along with other unnatural acts such as sodomy and bestiality. God commanded a severe punishment upon anyone who would indulge in this abomination.

Leviticus 20:13

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

Can Homosexuals be Christians? This precept of God is unambiguous, concise, and plainly stated. And it bridges on the nonsensical to hear some people attempt to defeat the creator's condemnation of homosexuality. According to the law of God, this activity of a man lying sexually with another man, is a [towebah ] or abomination. In other words, it's something that is blatantly unclean and disgusting to God. This Hebrew word literally means something loathsome or detestable. So if we are to be led by the authority of the Holy scriptures, we must accept that homosexuality is something that is unnatural and abhorrent to God because it is against order of creation. Anyone attempting to make a defense of this act by claiming that it is not really sin, or that this merely addresses ritualistic abomination, has no real concept of the biblical principle that "God's Word is not subject to our private or personal interpretations ." In our day the plague of homosexuality is sweeping over the world like a malignant disease, and it lashes out against every moral, lawful, and chaste fiber of faithfulness and obedience to God. Yet instead of warning against this wickedness, most Christians are silent as it gains respectability, and even acceptability in some Churches. Instead of outrage, Christian pastors are speaking about toning it down, compassion, and of our need for tolerance. But these are euphemistic words for capitulation and compromise. In order to remain faithful to God, Christians must not be deceived, but continue to preach and teach against the growing apostasies such as homosexuality, divorce, fornication, abortion, adultery, and all forms of ungodly immorality. For these are perilous and deceptive times in which we live. The trial of our faith makes manifest the Godly, and those who simply have a form of Godliness.

2nd Timothy 3:1-5

"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away."

In great numbers people are lovers of themselves (what we today call humanism), covetous or materialistic, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures (hedonism) more than lovers of God. It is in this arena of degradation that we see not only the growth and tacit acceptance of homosexuality, but also the spurious denials by many that this is even a sin against God. Even though the law of God plainly declares that "If a man lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination," there are those who would remove God's words from the Bible with lips dripping with the juices of nullification. Nevertheless, God is not mocked, and transparent justifications will hide no one in the day of vengeance.

Does This Verse Only Condemn "Practicing" Homosexuality?

There has grown a school of thought in some Church circles that hypothesizes that Leviticus chapter twenty at best describes "practicing homosexuality ," and not homosexual ontology. But this defense is without scriptural validation. Moreover, saying that there are non-practicing homosexuals is akin to saying that there are non-practicing harlots, or non-practicing murderers. Why would any Christian want to call herself a harlot if they are no longer selling themselves? The answer of course is that, they wouldn't. It's really a ridiculous concept, and yet it has found favor in many Churches. There are those who want to be called Christian, but who also insist on retaining the title of Homosexual, or of being called a gay Christian. The reasons they give may vary, but it really all boils down to their attachment to the concept. i.e., though they profess to be of Christ, they really don't want to completely let go or surrender their life to Him. Keeping the name allows them to partially hold on to the delusion that it's really not a bad thing to be a homosexual. Is a non-practicing homosexual still guilty of homosexuality? Of course he is. Because the sin is in the very "thought process," not just the physical act itself. Would a Christian who has an adulterous thought pop into his head, then call himself a Christian adulterer? God forbid! Likewise, there is no such thing as a homosexual Christian. The mere fact that someone would have a desire to retain the title homosexual, while professing their new life in Christ, indicates that they have not yet truly repented of their sin. It is a confession that they desire to retain certain name rights to that former lifestyle.

The modernist would reply, "What's in a name?" I would answer that one who desires a name that signifies an abomination to God, must question "what's in his heart." For the very title homosexual delineates a sin against God, and illustrates a continuing mindset that is adversarial. This is the deception of our day that goes unchallenged. The wretched "political correctness" within our society wherein man looks upon homosexuality as not so much a deliberate sin, as it is an involuntary lifestyle. But a non-practicing homosexual is just as much in sin against God as a practicing one would be. For it is self-evident that he has not truly repented of his sin wherein he would no longer "desire" to be called homosexual. He doesn't yet understand that he cannot take upon himself the name of Christ, and also retain the name Homosexual. The terms are as mutually exclusive as the terms abominable and righteous. It's like saying that you are a "Christian Abomination," or that you are a "Christian Whore." No one would say those things because they realize that this type terminology is contradictory to Christianity, not something that can go hand in hand with it. Likewise, we cannot claim to be "Christian Homosexuals" because it is a contradiction in terms.

Will The Homosexual Be Saved?

According to some liberal philosophers in the Church, yes. But not according to the inerrant Word of God. Scripture states quite plainly that those who lay with man as with womankind, shall not enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Those are God's Words, not mine. There are those who choose to ignore it, or to make up their own laws and rules of doctrine for the Church, but if we will "receive" God's Word of truth, there can be no mistaking what God has said. If we are honest with ourselves, there can be no deceiving by rationalizing, or by nullification of His Words.

1st Corinthians 6:9

"...be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind , nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the Kingdom of God."

The caution by God that we, "be not deceived " alerts us that we should be aware that there will be those who will try and deceive us by claiming that these people "shall" inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. i.e., that adulterers, drunkards, and homosexuals can be Christian and inherit the kingdom. God says no, be not deceived, they shall not inherit it. And for Christians today to claim that they can (as so many do), is both confusion, and a denial of God's Words.

Of course, this does not mean that someone who was formerly an adulterer, drunkard, or homosexual, cannot ever in a period of weakness fall back into one of those sins. What it means is that they are a new creation whose desire will now be to do the will of God, and not their own. Thus they are no longer adulterers, homosexuals, or drunkards. So even if they should stumble and sin, they will no longer live in that sin, and their sins will be forgiven because they have an advocate in heaven, and His Spirit in themselves. Thus they have no desire to be called adulterers, homosexuals, or drunkards, for they understand that old things are passed away when they are set at liberty, and Grace is not license to continue in sin.

Galatians 5:13

"For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another."

How shall they that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? How can they who are called to grace and liberty use that to continue in sin? They will no longer live comfortably in their sin, but will eschew it, confess it, repent of it, and understand in their heart that it is evil. This will become something that which they want to distance themselves from, not keep near. They will not have the mindset that it is something they want to retain "name rights" to.

And indeed, I have heard those who arrogantly state:

"
I don't practice, but I'm a Homosexual, and proud of it. And I am a Christian, no matter what anyone says
."

With all due respect, this is merely another example of the insidious delusion of Satan. Is Homosexuality a sin? To be sure, it doesn't matter what I say, or what any other man says. But what does matter is what God says. And without judging, I'm afraid that the sad truth is, this man was probably no more a Christian, than Judas was in being one of the Apostles, or that cult leaders are in calling on the name of the Lord. They all delude themselves because they lack the spirit of truth. We can be former thieves, former pornographers, and former homosexuals, but we cannot be those things and be Christian also. A Christian is a "new" creation sealed with the Holy Spirit. And so they would no longer want to be called that which is abominable to God. Rather than a source of pride, this title would be an abomination to them, the same as they are to God.

Moreover, those pastors who teach such contradicting doctrines to homosexuals, deceive a great many of them into thinking they can have peace of mind, when in fact there is no peace with God. Thus, these pastors have the greater sin. For to say that a homosexual can inherit the kingdom is not only "dangerous" (as it gives those looking for an excuse, a false sense of security ), but it is also false prophecy. According to God's very own Words in 1st Corinthians 6:9, homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. But they need not fret, because former homosexuals, who have cast that name aside for the name of Christ, can.

Colossians 3:9-10

"Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:"

The casting of former things behind us is an integral part of the Salvation process. And unfortunately, that is what many professing Christians and Pastors do not understand.

Some Say That Word Simply Describes Temple Prostitution

The word in 1st Corinthians 6:9 which is translated "Abusers of themselves with mankind " in the KJV, is actually the Greek word [arsenokoites ], meaning "laying with a male." In the literal, to "bed with a male." This is the very same sin which God called an abomination Leviticus 20:13. This term is from the Greek words [arsen ], meaning male, and [koite ] meaning bed (from the root [keimai ], meaning lay). And combined in this context, they illustrate the sense of lying with a man sexually. God says there, unambiguously, that these shall not inherit the Kingdom of God. I didn't say that, God said that. And He said it as plain as it can be said. The half-baked theory that the objection may simply describe Temple Prostitution is a cocktail of conjecture and supposition. It's not an interpretation that has its foundation in the pertinent scriptures at all, it's a theory by those who study cultures that is totally unsubstantiated by Holy Canon. Clearly, the word there means to "lay a male". And for anyone to take that clearly understandable word, and inject it with an extra biblical self-serving interpretation that it really means men who sell themselves for money, is tortuous of the verse. In biblical terms, it is called "wresting" or twisting the scriptures to make them conform to man's own ideas. The truth is, it says not one word, not even one iota, jot or tittle about the Temple, nor about selling, nor about prostitution. To presuppose and then inject this secular idea into scripture, is in the final analysis "adding to God's Word." Not to mention the fact that we don't understand scripture in a vacuum, and this is not the only passage that condemns males lying with males, or what is today commonly called "Homosexuality." Every verse that speaks about this practice would have to be wrested in order to support such a conclusion.

But this is the kind of rationalization and self-justification that goes into the defense of breaking God's laws. It always starts (like the serpent in the garden with the words, "..hath God Said?" From there, Satan will proceed to sow the seed of doubt about what God actually said, and if He actually means it. Men are quick to "read into" the scriptures and inject their own biased agenda about what scripture means (though it didn't say ). Because they he can cast doubt on the Word of God really meaning, "men who lay with men ," then those who want to believe what is right in their own eyes will have an excuse to formulate their own rebellious views about homosexuality. And in their minds they can do so without having to blatantly call God's Word a lie. In self-justification they can declare, "..it's not that we don't believe God, it's just that we think we can interpret this another way." i.e., as if the biblical view is only your opinion.

We Are All Sinners, Aren't Homosexuals Just Sinners Too?

Yes, this is true. But Christians are not Homosexuals. Neither are they Whores, Thieves, Murderers and Drunkards. The distinction is that these are not terms for Christians. There is a difference between being a homosexual, and being a sinner, and it's not just semantics. We may fall into sin, but we will not any longer live that former lifestyle. Because of the Spirit that dwells within us, we have an earnest desire to repent or turn away from it. Not a desire to retain the title in order to keep some "vicarious" pleasure in it, but to make it as "dead" to us. This will be our sincere desire when we become true Christians. Those very verses we have read illustrate just this particular principle.

1st Corinthians 6:9-11

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God".

And such WERE some of you, but not anymore. That's the mindset of a true Christian. Not one of, "I still want to be called Homosexual," but one of, "Such as I was once, but not anymore." They are washed now, that they may not continue being a homosexual, even though they might fall into that sin, they will not live it. They will repent of it and grow in grace. That is the mind of Christ, and the mindset of a true Christian.

Romans 6:1-4

"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life".

We walk in newness of life because the old man is passed away. How can we walk in newness of life while calling ourselves harlots still, or drunkards still, or homosexuals still? Jesus, through His Spirit, can help the homosexual stop living in this destructive lifestyle. He can remove the sensual desire for a person of the same sex. But homosexuals will never understand this truth if professed Christians keep telling them that they can remain a homosexual, and still be a Christian.

Hebrews 11:6

"But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him".

We witness to them that becoming a Christian means that we have had a new birth (2nd Corinthians 5:17). God not only forgives us and cleanses us from all unrighteousness (1st John 1:9), but he give us His Spirit, that gives us the strength to not sin that way anymore (Romans 8:26). Jesus wonderfully forgave the women caught in adultery, but He also told her, "..go and sin no more." (John 8:11). Truth, inspires change.

But The Word Homosexual Is Not In Scripture

The fact is, the actual word homosexuality is merely a modern tradition. It is simply a two-bit word describing the vile affections of men who lay with men, and women who lay with women. It doesn't have to be in scripture, because what the word represents is in scripture. Just as the word embezzlement is a traditional two-bit word which means stealing. Annulment is a traditional two-bit word meaning divorce. Abortion is a traditional two-bit word meaning killing babies. These words are euphemisms generally devised to hide or cloak the harsh reality of their true meaning. They are used so that it makes whatever it defines somewhat easier for people to accept. That's why the term has even changed again to "gay." I mean really, who's going to accept it if we say, "I'm going to kill my child before it's born." That's why it is replaced with the word "abortion," or now even less harsh words. But God has no such political agendas, and He calls these sins exactly what they are. He calls homosexuality, vile affections, men lying with men, and women with women, doing that which is unseemly and abominable. That's what God calls it. Simply claiming the english word Homosexual is not in the scriptures does not loose man from the laws of God against the practice. We can eliminate the word Homosexual all together and call it what the Bible does. But in our day, it's not considered politically correct, or being a loving Christian (gasp) to call anything by the term the scriptures give it. Nevertheless, it may not be politically correct, but it is Biblically incorrect to say anything less than the scriptures say.

Some Churches Say The Homosexual Gene Is A God Given Inherited Nature

That is not only a ludicrous statement, it is a blasphemous statement. Heresy in the Church is almost as old as dirt, and it's growing by leaps and bounds today. It's not what some Churches or scientists say that counts, it's what God says that is our authority. Homosexuality is not a nature that men are born with (except it is the nature of sin), it embodies all that is "AGAINST" the nature of God. These people are brainwashed by an arrogant immoral society, and have totally forsaken God's Word for the wisdom of the world. But consider that real wisdom is in what God says. And He declares it is not natural, it is just the opposite.

Romans 1:26-27

"For this cause God gave them up to vile affections: for even their women did change the Natural use into that which is Against Nature!

And likewise also the men, leaving the Natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one towards another; Men with Men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet."

And so we see once again that God's Word is 180 degrees opposite of what the world, wise in their own conceits, claim is true. The homosexual lust in people is not born of his God given nature, it is not an alternative lifestyle, and it is not natural affection. It is just as God says, it's vile [atimia ] or disgraceful affections, and it is unseemly [aschemosune ], indecent or shameful behavior. Who are we to believe? As saith the scripture, "let God be true and every man a liar" -Romans 3:4. A man has a natural nature, and so does the woman. To pervert that nature is an abomination to God, a grievous sin against his created order.

Deuteronomy 22:5

"The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God."

The specific scriptural text forbidding cross dressing, the visible perversion of homosexuality, shows us quite plainly that God looks upon these unnatural acts, not as frivolous, an alternative lifestyle, or as harmless fun, but as an abomination. The fact is, God has always been crystal clear on the matter, it is man who tries to distort God's Words for his own selfish purposes. It is society who tries to make up their own rules and laws governing what is natural and what is not. To the rationalization that, "it's just how some people are born," God says, be not deceived! It's not natural affection, it's not God given nature, it's sin against God and nature. And it's illogical and irrational for anyone professing to be a Christian to claim that God gave this nature to some people. Those who want to insist homosexuality is natural or God given, do so at their own peril. But as for me and my house, we believe God when He says it is ungodly, unnatural, and vile. The doctrines and rationalizations going on in the Church today about homosexuality would have been unbelievable just fifty years ago, but now so much of the Church is depraved that it's considered "Christian love" to encourage them, and an act of compassion to not tell them of the wages of such sin. But nothing could be further from the truth. Homosexuals are what they are because of their sin nature. If I am a habitual fornicator, can I claim I'm that way because I have a gene which makes me lust after women? Most certainly not, because sin is in all of us and cannot be excused by simply saying it's in the genes. Do I have a gene that makes me a drunkard? Society would say so. Do I have a gene that makes me a criminal? Sure, all things are possible when you throw the Bible out the window in favor of scientists' declarations. The truth is, we all have the gene. It's called, "the stain of sin," and it has been passed down from generation to generation since the fall. Anything more than that, is self-serving rationalization.

Are Heterosexuals, Heterosexuals, Because Of Their Sin Nature Too?

Some people have attempted to equate Homosexual activity with Heterosexual activity. This of course is the obligatory "Straw Man." It seems that there is one in almost every argument. But equating heterosexuality to homosexuality, is like equating sexual activity, with fornication. It can't righteously be done. One is always a sin, and the other may not be. A heterosexual relationship is not a sin so long as it's done lawfully in the bounds of marriage. While homosexual relationships are sin at "anytime." Even non-practicing homosexual relationships are sin because (like adultery) the sin has it's genesis in the mind. And so to equate the two is like comparing apples and oranges. One is always unnatural and vile affection in God's eyes, and the other is a natural union between a man and woman who are married. Now if they were to equate homosexuality with fornication (unlawful sexual activity ) then they would have a case. But that would defeat their purpose in trying to justify the act. But to equate it with heterosexual activity is flat out ridiculous.

1st Peter 3:1-4-7

"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

without natural affection, truce breakers, false ACCUSERS, incontinent, fierce, despisers of THOSE that are good. Traitors, heady, high minded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

having a FORM of Godliness, but denying the POWER thereof: from such turn away."

I.e., those who claim the name of Christ, and yet who will deny God's Word, are to be expected in life, and even more so in the latter days of great tribulation. From such, faithful Christians are commanded to turn away, as these perilous times were not unforeseen by God.

Why Then Are Some Churches Teaching This?

Two things that we should remember is that all those who call themselves by the name of Christ, or of Christ (Christian), are not truly Christian. And all false Churches and gospels have the distinct ability to totally ignore God's written Word about anything that they choose. They do so in order that they may follow the teachings that they want to follow. Whether doctrines of homosexuality, or of tacitly condoning abortion, women pastors, charismatics, signs and wonders, or any other false gospel, there will always be those who support some unbiblical doctrine. And it usually boils down to the same common denominator. They all "reject" the accumulative written Word of God that says one thing, in order that they can take something out of context and believe what is right in their own eyes. Whether it is what their Church leaders say, or what society deems appropriate, or what they want, there are always ways around scripture. And usually it's by saying that, "this verse doesn't really mean what is written."

Jude 1:7

"Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."

The sin of unlawful unnatural sex, or men going after strange flesh, is clearly prohibited. The Greek word translated strange is [heteros ] meaning other, or different. i.e., man not "naturally" going after woman, but after "other" or strange flesh. Indeed the city of Sodom is where we get the word Sodomy. And God declares here that Sodom is set forth as an example of the wages of this unnatural fornication of going after strange flesh. From the old to the New testament, the very same warning of this city as an example is repeated by inspiration of God.

2nd Peter 2:6

"And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly.."

Clearly, the example of Sodom is for us who live today, that we might read of it and learn, and remember why God judged them. Sadly, many Churches today have forgotten or either refuse to be taught by God's lessons. They read, but they don't "spiritually" hear what they read. They look, but they don't "spiritually" see what they are looking at. They have no fear of God that they would receive His Word of truth that homosexuality is an abomination God. Their conscience is seared so that they can effectively completely wrest or ignore scripture without any pangs of guilt. They lack the true love of God that 1st John 5:2-3 declares is in keeping His Word. The love wherein there is an earnest desire to not only seek truth, but the humility to look at themselves honestly. They lack the reverential fear of God that His Word informs us is, "The Beginning of Wisdom."

When quoting God's Word, word for word, how many times have you heard the protest, "..well that's just your interpretation ." This is the power of the great deceiver, Satan. When man has no reverential fear, or conscience that would bother him when contradicting what God says, he is as lost in the wilderness. Many are so brainwashed and indoctrinated that denying the Word of God doesn't even register "as a denial" anymore. In other words, a spiritual blindness where they don't even look upon the Word being witnessed to them as God's Word, they look upon it as something that is coming from you personally. Something they can try and get around by any means necessary. It's merely an abstract apart from the Bible that is in the way of their views. And this is all because they don't really know God in the personal sense. They may know God intellectually, and may profess faith, but they deny God and faith by their action in refusing to keep His Word. As scripture says, having a form of Godliness, but denying the power thereof, which is the Holy Spirit. Like clouds with no water, carried about of winds, they cannot retain (keep) God's Word and this is why they can support homosexuality. The true Christian has the Spirit-led desire to preserve the Word of God faithfully, and that means not denying what it says for their own sakes. Being Biblically conservative was the norm for hundreds of years, but in our day it has fallen by the wayside.

Luke 8:15

"But that on the good ground are they, which in a HONEST and good heart, having heard the Word KEEP it, and bring forth fruit with patience."

In fact the very word "keep" that is used here means to 'hold fast,' to guard against loss, to preserve that it not suffer loss. True Christians are conservative with regards to scripture, for every true believer keeps (Preserves) God's word faithfully, by not denying it. They may sin, but they don't deny it is sin. They repent and thus keep or preserve God's Word as faithful. King David is a good example of this.

Many people call themselves by the name of Christ, and they have the notion that they are true believers, but God tells us that unless they are preservers of the Word of God, they are simply kidding themselves. They don't really know the Lord at all. And by the way, that's not "my word," this is what God says.

1st John 2:3-5

"And hereby we do KNOW that we know Him, IF we KEEP His commandments.

He that saith, I know Him, and KEEPETH NOT His commandments, is a Liar , and the truth is not in Him.

But whoso keepeth His word, in him verily is the Love of God perfected: HEREBY know we that we are in Him."

This is why some can make statements like, "Homosexuals can be Christians and still remain Homosexuals," or that "Jesus is Not really God," or that they personally "spoke to God in a unknown tongue last Sunday." Because they forsaken the Word and are blinded and deceived by their own lusts, feelings, teachers, or what seems right in their own eyes. Can Homosexuals be Christians? Is Homosexuality a Sin? Of course it is sin, and God says no they cannot inherit the Kingdom. Did I say that or did God say that? It is only the sinful prideful nature of fallen man that insists on denying such an obvious truth. It is better to humbly let God lead, rather than attempt to be our own god. All false Christians have the inherent pridefulness where they will not receive reproof of God by His Word. Just as the Scribes and Pharisees who knew the scriptures well, but they didn't know God, and so all their learning was useless as far as coming to truth.

2nd Timothy 3:7

"ever learning, and yet never able to come to the knowledge of TRUTH".

The acceptance of homosexuality is in the spirit of disobedience, not the Spirit of truth. It is a rebellious, haughty and lifted up spirit, not the broken and contrite spirit that receives God's truth. And most of all, it shows no spirit to do as 2nd Corinthians 13:5 exhorts. To examine ourselves with God's Word, and prove ourselves that we are truly in the faith, not just blindly following what we want to follow. These exhortations of God roll off many professed Christians' like water rolling off the back of a duck. They simply cannot seem to comprehend the truth that when they are reading scripture, it is actually God talking. It's not the writer's opinion, it's not a private interpretation, it's divinely inspired truth that God "fully expects" us to be obedient to.

So let us open our hearts to receive God's truth concerning Homosexuality. Society cannot define God's laws or change His immutable principles. The only way we will arrive at a Biblical consensus concerning this question of homosexuality is by "receiving" everything God has declared about it throughout His Holy Word. Christians need to make the effort and find the time to study the Bible with the mind of Christ that they are open to receive what it says. As bible believers we must all examine ourselves, read, think, judge, and pray, and God will enlighten anyone on the subject who is "honestly" seeking truth. "Seek and ye shall find" is a faithful promise. Let us then preach the unadulterated truth of scripture, and not the compromises and blasphemies that often pass for the gospel in our day.

And may the Lord who is rich in mercy and longsuffering, give us the wisdom to discern His truth, and the strength to make correct judgments and endure in time of trial.

RE: Is it God's Work to condemn Homosexuals?

funguy — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 22:28:03 GMT

You speakk a lot of truth my friend. It is also very diffifcult to communicate with the Christian side of the Church who have their minds firmly set on literal truths of the Bible as they understand it. Note is said as they inderstand it. They are very sincere in their thinking; it is Biblical. To them there is no room for discussion. What breaks my heart is that they have no love or compassion for those who are different from them, especially a homosexual person or one who commits suicisde as you mentioned. They quickly quot a verse and say God condems you not us. Where is the compassion; They usually don't welcome you into their church. They don't want you around their children for example. They won't give you a chance to show you are a decent human being who can be trusted; they think you can't be trusted-hence judgement on you. That makes me sad. These are good people trying to be holy but trying too hard and failing in the most basic teachings of Christ to love one another. There has been too much written already. Forgive all who fail trying to be good.