UCA Shooting Arkansas University 2 dead

Betty Poole — Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:28:27 GMT

2 dead one wounded in the Arkansas University shooting.

Would better gun control have prevented this murder?

Why is it that we allow our young ones to carry weapons like this?

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TheGreatDane — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:01:27 GMT

No. Pressing further regulation of firearms would not have prevented this. Let me explain:

First, criminals are criminals because (by definition) they do not follow the law.

Therefore if the legitimate sales of firearms are restricted who does it affect? That's right, the law abiding citizens. Unfortunately, this model results in defenseless innocent people.

Furthermore, universities are "gun free zones" (as prescribed by 'the fewer guns, the better' doctrine). This only serves to further skew the ratio of armed criminals to unarmed victims.

I feel for the families of the victims. This is nothing short of a tragedy.

Maybe one day we will permit law-abiding citizens to defend themselves against lawless criminals.

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geoffbeneze — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:02:05 GMT

Gun control wouldn't have changed anything, this has been proven time and time again. Chicago, NY, Wash DC all have the strictest gun control laws in the country and they have, far and away, the highest crime/murder rates.

Also, proven in study after study is that the Bad Guys fear only ONE thing, and that is an Armed Citizen.

NEVER in history has gun control been shown to work, except in taking power from the citizens and allowing both the criminals and the Government to dominate (and often destroy) the people of the country.

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Rocmike3 — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 02:39:55 GMT

Geoff, I concur with you here. The reason Hitler disarmed the Jews is that a disarmed person is easier to run into a concentration camp than an armed CITIZEN.

The reason Hitler could not take Switzerland is that the people had guns, and the training to use them responsibly. That scares socialists who have clearcut designs on our families to re-enact the atrocities of the National SOCIALIST Party of Germany (You remember, the Nazis?).

We who have taken the time to learn history do not fall victim to extremists.

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Space Coast Graphic Designs — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 05:24:32 GMT

I thought we learned our lesson from Virgina Tec, This is how it works,The criminal or mentally Disturbed Decided they have been wronged in there mind,had the sustem worked in Virgina techs case,the gunman would never have been able to buy a firearm as currnt laws in effect now and then would prevent it,the problem was they were not enforced,You are not permitted to buy a firearm if you have been committed to a mental Hospital like the virgina tech gunman had been ,that disqualifies him from owning or purchaceing a firearm both of which he was able to do,then committed his crime with them,thats a Batf Breakdown in enforcement of laws already in effect,if we can not enforce the laws already in effect,passing new ones will only dillute the effectiveness of the current enforcement of laws.Now looking at the Criminal state of mind,He decides he is going to kill someone or a bunch of people in a building,well lets just ban firearms all together so he cant,thats the blinds on a horse point of view to the problem as the killer is just going to lock all the exits to the building after he has walked thru it pouring gasoline thru the buildings bottom floor leaveing some full cans behind and light it up killing far more people than a single gunman can,or he can manufacture a bomb out of simple household products such as the oaklahoma bombers did with disel fuel and fertilizer and blow the whole block up,,then there is knife attacks poison gas ,what Im trying to get across is its not the firearm thats the bad thing,nor the gasoline,or the bomb,its the persons state of mind and you can try to ban everything you think will stop it,but where there is a will there is a way,you take away all of the above and make them ulleagle and they will just run down a group of kids at a college with a bus or truck,you gonna ban them next???Your best bet is to leave people armed to defend themselves againsted nuts that carry out crimes like this so they have a chance to defend themselves,as the cops always show up to make a report 90% of the time.there doing the best they can with what they have.Most people who are licenced such as i am have had firearm training,and are qualifiued to use that firearm in a self defence situation of when someone elses life is in danger,actually people who hold concealed weapon permits get more range time in shooting and praticeing than most police officers,they have to qualify ,we shoot for sport and fun some of us every weekend hundreds and hundreds of rounds at a time.We shoot moving targets small targets all kinds of difficult situations,because we enjoy shooting most people have never encountered a situation where they need the use of there firearm,But its nice to have when I just made a with draw down at the bank from my acct and the big mouth teller says wow thats a lot of money your getting that will take a while to get and then counts it out to you as joe bankrobber or criminal watches as he is caseing the bank and sticks a gun in my face in the parking lot,and requests my withdraw,I give it to him and do what ever it takes to save my hard earned cash from walking away,people who do not fear criminals or think it will never happen to them are living in a fantasy world,We live in a good neighborhood and have most of our lives,Our home has been broken in to more than 3 times,once i was home,my Moms home twice ,my brother came home and heard them inside and called the cops who then locked him back up,as he had just got out of prison for kidnapping armed robbery,and is now serveing a 40 year term no gain time sentence ,It does happen and it will happen to you when you least expect it.we were lucky both times when we confronted the robbers and no one but the criminal got hurt,if your unarmed good luck.get proper training get a good dependable firearm ,a big dog and an alarm.

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miguelgarza999 — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:40:49 GMT

So, if our left-wing extremists get their way, how are they going to control home made weapons like molotov cocktails?

Guns are not the issue. It is leftist hatred and their demands to tyrannize us, break into our homes, confiscate our every means of self defense in the face of rising violent crime, and then thin the ranks of "undesirables" like me.

How many times must we see that disarmed people are always soft and irresistable targets?

Harden the target, and you reduce crime. Particularly violent crime. It is just that simple.

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miguelgarza999 — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:44:57 GMT

A disarmed populace is as old as the history of tyranny itself.

Caesar Augustus forbade Jews to carry knives. It made them easier to crucify without any fear of retaliation.

Caesar Diocletian disarmed Christians so that it would be easier to herd them into the arena.

Hitler disarmed the Jews so that he could more easily herd them into extermination camps.

Stalin armed the people in WWII, so that they could fight the invading Germans. Then he disarmed the people so he could purge his government of suspected dissidents like Sakharov.

I could go on and on and include despots we suffer today. But why bother? There is absolutely no use in trying to reason with leftists.

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Old Computer Dad — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 03:14:45 GMT

I feel as a Canadian, that tough gun control laws such as we in Canada have and seem to make a difference. With such controls, it limits individuals from grabbing a gun in a fit or rage and shooting up the town or loved ones.

Then on the other hand, those who are set out to shoot someone will find a gun on the street in a minute. Eventhough our laws do not permit everyone and anyone to carry a gun there are still shootings here. Look at the city of Toronto, Ontario. The latest shooting was a drive by and an inocent 20 year old mother on one was gunned down while standing outside of a local bar while having a smoke break. Ya, our numbers here in Canada do not match or come close to some cities in the USA but then not all shootings are in the news. When one looks at the increased issues with drugs in Canada, whether in London, Toronto, or Vancouver, the majority of gun crimes are drug related. Yes there are others that are related to bullying in our schools, just as in the USA, but once again the larger numbers are drug related.

All I can say is that stiff gun controls, a change of attitude toward gun ownership in relation to the USA understanding of the Constitution could make it somewhat more difficult for someone to obtain a gun; especially those who can just walk into a store and buy a gun then go out and shoot their school mates. I saw on the National news one night that a father in one of the states had applied for a bank account in his 2 year old son's name. There was a promotion at that local bank which stated; if you/anyone opened a new bank account at that branch the individual would receive a new riffle. That same day after the account was opened in the 2 year old boy's name, he received his new riffle. This can happen legally due to a single line in the US constitution, "the right to bare arms". Just think about it, that line was introduced so that individuals could legally have a firearm without question if the land was/is being invaded by an enemy. In this day and age, who is the enemy? Ya, we have clowns like Bin Laden and his flunckies, but other than that, we are our own enemy; and if you are that stuck on shooting people then join the army and go overseas to shoot the Talibaun forces over there.

I think that if someone lives in a city, town, or village and is not either a Police officer, member of your armed forces, or registered hunter /sports/competitive shooter or a farmer - then what the heck do you need to have a gun for??

Just think about it, if some clown were to break into your home to rob you and he has a gun, then what chance would you ever have against this clown. Either way, you as the innocent one will be shot and not the putz who is robbing you.

Think about it.

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geoffbeneze — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 04:15:25 GMT

Since the Brits instituted strict gun control, their crime rate has gone up over 400%. Now they're discussion banning knives. Australia's crime rate went up 300% when they instituted strict gun control. They're now making overtures to repeal some of their laws in that respect.

Canada's gun control/registration laws have cost over a BILLION dollars and have been virtually abandoned. The RCMP no longer enforce these laws.

Point in fact, you CANNOT site a single instant in history where gun control actually worked and reduced crime.

HOWEVER, in the US, every single state that has passed concealed carry laws has realized a significant drop in crime, while the states that haven't have seen increases. Moreover, the cities, LA, Chicago, NY, Washington DC that have the strictest gun controls are the murder capitols of the country. Chicago, with it's 40 year ban on ALL weapons has the highest murder rate in the country. Both Chicago and Washington DC have cumulative death rates GREATER than the Iraq war.

Historically, every national atrocity that has occurred starting with Nazi Germany has disarmed their citizens BEFORE the atrocities took place.

While you may well be emotionally convinced that gun control laws are beneficial, you are factually off base by large margins.

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Rocmike3 — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:30:36 GMT

In Washington State (and 49 more just like it) gun control laws have made law enforcement a sour and vulgar joke.

I refer to the insane SARAH Brady Gun Control Act of 1983. In the last 25 years, it has cost $2.75 billion to enforce it and has yielded all of six arrests nationwide -- all overturned by Superior Courts with competent jurisdiction over that worthless law and the worthless extremists that enacted it over the will of the voters. Once again, the term worthless truly applies.

When the Washington State House and Senate considered enforcing the Sarah Brady Act, the only county that pledged to enforce it was King County. ALL the other counties struck it down an contrary to the will of the voters -- discovered by a special election just on that one insane bill.

That leaves 39 more Washington counties that will not enforce it. In less than three months after introduction, King County found that persecuting law abiding gun owners was completely insane, as is the current femninist cult oligarchy.

All 102 counties in Texas considered the Brady Act, and only one county -- Dallas -- considered enforcing that ludicrous law. In two months, Dallas County decided that it was completely unenforceable and was absolutely ridiculous when Sarah Brady railroaded it through on the discredited militant feminine supremacist cult ticket. "Giving that much power to a .01% minority does not represent the will of the people." Brian Marshall, Dallas County Chairman. Special Election one month after prospective introduction struck the bill down 93.7%. That counts abstentions.

All around the nation, the Brady Act has proved how stupid all those worthless democrats and socialists were when they railroaded that insane law through and that is why all 50 states have discarded it.

"The Sarah Brady Act is legislation that is subject to voter recall therefore is unfit for any democratically elected body to enforce it." Washington Gov. Booth Gardner. Until Sarah Brady personally threatened Gov. Gardner';s life by rifle fire, he was in favor of the law. Considering how hypocritical Sarah Brady and her cult were, he voted in opposition of Sarah Brady as a cult figurehead -- thefreore in accordance with the will of the People.

The ill-advised Sarah Brady Act has been shelved in all 50 states but that won't stop dfrug lords and feminists from dropping their pants to enforce it because it puts money into both dubious underground political campaigns. Prostitution, drug trafficking, and hate mail, all fit the disloyal democrats agenda perfectly.

Remember: Reagan said, "Just say no." That's why every drug lord, illegal nuclear, biological, and chemical arms dealer, and punk rocker, opposed Reagan. So, we see the fact that absolutely nothing has changed nor is any change possible now that it is past the election.

That does not mean that screeching imature feminine supremacist cult indoctrinated extremists will not hold parades to support thweir sisterhood. They will do virtually anything to cause traffic jams. Remember how they wrecked I-5?

It only means that feminists are less that .01% of the voting public and shall remain so forever.

Where did we go wrong by allowing that howling militannt bitter cult of mindless extremists to get a bill through against the will of the people?

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paddster16 — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:31:31 GMT

Wow Hitler disarmed the Jews, I didnt realise that the Jews had their own Army and carried Weapons ? (They were Businessmen)

Whats Next they Disarmed Jesus's Swiss Army Knife So he'd be easier to crucify?

What did Sakharov inflict on the Russian People?

Compared to Australia, France, Germany, Canada who have Gun Laws? What are the University Death Tolls. Or Death by firearm statistics?

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geoffbeneze — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:49:48 GMT

paddster, you are, apparently, COMPLETELY ignorant of history, Both current and past. It's not our job to educate you, that's your job.

So, I expect, since your mind is made up, that facts and knowledge won't sway you in any manner.

How very sad for you.

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Rocmike3 — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:54:47 GMT

Our sixteen year old druggie Paddster (atheist hardliner that he is) came here to insult us, plant viruses in our computers (my software snagged two of his viruses already) and insult us again.

The atheist Jeremiah Wright (posing as a "minister") poisoned the mind of his racist disciple Obama bin Laden. Now, we are stuck with that lunatic until rac riots force our nation to martial law.

16-year-old Paddster is obviously equally duplicitous. He, and tyrants in all of history before, have wanted persons slated for genocide disarmed so that they are easier to murder. Paranoids like Hitler and Paddster are alike in that very real manner. Only in-patient psychiatric hospitalization and abstenance from street drugs can save Paddster now. But is that racist worth it, considering that he wants us to live in a one-party (communist) society and live defenseless against the new racist Gestapo that Obama bin Laden has in mind?

Is Paddster16 worth it?

No.

We will always have hypocritical welfare cases like that to burden our economy and break our children in school in to drugs of abuse. Get them hooked, make the Communist Party the official supplier of heroin, and everyone will vote communist. QED.

Paranoids like that mindless little Pharisee have a well deserved spot in hell.

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paddster16 — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:22:18 GMT

Geez Rocmike3 You really are Screwed up inside. Why dont you print out your replies and show them to your Psychiatrist. You really need to seek some professional Help. I am praying for you everyday. Everyone you dont like in ALL your posts is a Druggie, leftist communist, poisoning peoples minds. You call hardline christians devil worshippers? Get out of the house and meet people? They are not against you or trying to kill you. Please for everyones sake, Get some Help.

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geoffbeneze — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:31:25 GMT

It's ok, paddster, your blind ignorance will carry you through without having a single clue one as to what everyone else is talking about.

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paddster16 — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:45:35 GMT

geoffbeneze do you see anything wrong with Rocmike3's last twisted statement. Read it again? Everyone who has Respect in you is waiting for your Answer.

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geoffbeneze — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:18:25 GMT

Do you not understand satirical takeoff when you see it?

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southern7162 — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:16:01 GMT

Geoff, Paddster really does need psychiatric in-patient treatment. He doesn't have a job so he sits online kibitzing.

I, to the contrary, have a job (using my lunch break and coffee breaks online). Indoctrinated communists will always pose as free people to try to seduce others down to virtual imprisonment to communism.

I think we used to call that brainwashing.

Geoff, you do your own thinking. I do also. But with paddster around, freedom of thought will disappear in the new gulag system.

To put us in it, we'd have to be disarmed. He's still looking for an excuse to make that a stark and bitter new reality. That is not going to happen.

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geoffbeneze — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:50:11 GMT

Well of course Paddie Boy is in lockstep with the Lefties, that is (or should be) self evident. That he's INSTANTLY become a Hitler Jugend or a Brown Shirt (if conditions so prevailed) is equally self evident (to me).

Pad doesn't understand freedom, just as most of the Europeans don't understand freedom in the same sense Americans do. Pad is happy to let some LEADER drag him around by the nose, but blame everyone else when it's not what he wants.

His kind have never had to do anything for themselves, they're not intelligent enough to study and comprehend history and incapable of possessing any actual (tangible) SKILL that would help them survive if things went south.

You are absolutely correct in a sense. To say such people are BrainWASHED certainly hits the point, but I suspect it missed the reality, as I suspect that must such people are BrainWIPED. (G)

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southern7162 — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:50:01 GMT

Pad may be brain wiped, as you put it, but I suspect more that he and his ilk are somewhere close to brain dead. I also have seen history play itself again. We who see these trends cannot get naive people to understand the simple truth.

The trouble is that we get to pay for their appalling blunders.

We who have seen what an extremist left-wing government always does cannot convince naive young fools what is about to happen until it is too late. The miserable part is that these little lunatics will call on mom and dad to bail them out again.

Only, we won't have the way to do it.

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geoffbeneze — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:47:11 GMT

"We who have seen what an extremist left-wing government always does cannot convince naive young fools what is about to happen until it is too late. The miserable part is that these little lunatics will call on mom and dad to bail them out again."

I lived in Germany in the 60's. The war was still "close" then. I attended the German schools for my first four years there. The Germans still felt guilt about the war then but were torn between the good hitler did (and he did) and the evil he perpetrated (and obviously, he did).

Let me pause here for a moment. My bloodline is predominantly German. What I'm going to say is NOT being derogatory or bigoted, it's historical fact. AND, if anyone wishes to take my states as such, then they apply to me as well.

A significant majority of the people WANTED to joint the NAZI party, the Hitler Jugend, the Brownshirts (etc, etc), but it wasn't optional. If one wanted to survive (in a figurative sense) one HAD to join or or several of those organizations.

However, the German psyche is such that they thrived under such conditions, snitching, plotting, mob mentality are parts of that culture, pure and simple.

Joe Göbbles once said (in reference to the Nazi party) "To change society, teach the children" - the fundamental basis of the Hitler Jugend (youth).

Our "education" system has done exactly this with the SAME intent, to move the society to a socialistic mass (as were the Nazis).

People like Pad, who have never had to EARN anything in their lives, who have never served, who don't comprehend the concept of "duty" are the result. The march in lock step with whichever Leftist leader shouts the loudest.

It's no wonder they're brain dead AND that this country is in dire straights.

After all, Barry Hussein Obama is ready to RULE at any moment.

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southern7162 — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:11:58 GMT

I can't help but note that everyone's kids suffered under the local high school administrator because she, "Suspect that their families might own guns. This threat is unacceptable in any modern society."

Until the kids signed "commitments to safety and peace" they would not be allowed back in school.

That "commitment" was the make, model, and serial number of every firearm in the house, whether mom or dad might have a record or other "violent form of sex conduct" and if they didn't show her that filled-in document, they didn't get back into regular school.

Never mind that the family didn't own guns. Girls got back into school after a "brief background check to rule out potential violence" and boys had to wait until summer vacation. It was that or home school.

That sexist boundary made sure that boys didn't get an education. They were barred from all public education until they went through "family safety consciousness raising" which amounted to forced viewing of subliminal tapes at a handpicked "counselor's" office at the family's expense.

Any family that failed to comply was labeled "noncompliant with minimum disciplinary requirements" and CPS was notified instantly that Junior was "A clear and present danger to the life and limb of faculty and other students."

My son, Mark, is an Eagle Scout and earned that coveted rank at sixteen. The "administrator" labeled him "A member of an underground paramilitary cult and should be excluded from further edeucation in public and private schools for the safety of the community." 28 other Eagle Scouts got the same treatment.

Finally, the school district had enough. They let the administrator go. Now she is working for someone else, acting out that same paranoia she got in her liberal arts college.

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geoffbeneze — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:27:14 GMT

"Finally, the school district had enough. They let the administrator go. Now she is working for someone else, acting out that same paranoia she got in her liberal arts college."

Normally I tend to lean toward a feminist outlook (not the radical morons, but the true beneficial theory), but in this case I have to make an observation.

In reading the news, in watching my two kids go through school (one 11, one 15), I note that in 99% of the cases where there is administrative abuse in the school systems, that is, out and out Leftist dogma, the culprit has been FEmale.

I've often wondered why that is.

My son just started middle school, but in the year before he left the elementary school, I was in that (female) pricipal's office, nose to nose, on a near weekly basis.

I would point out that our son is an honor student, has never had a discipline problem in school, etc, etc. Yet this Nazi female could make violations out of whole cloth. Fortunately, I either have enough leverage (or I'm just scary enough) to make her backdown on my son and in many cases, backdown on the entire policy she was trying to foist on the kids.

Since I'm a firearms person, if they'd tried that with these schools, I would have camped on their front step with lawyer in hand. Since we have one as a family member, that's less daunting that it would otherwise be.

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southern7162 — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:39:40 GMT

Geoff, people are beginning to figure feminists out despite their games. They do ABSOLUTELY anything to get sympathy, and they are under a tacit obligation to side "with the sisterhood against the accursed patriarchy" but the main reason that we do not see too many OLD feminists is that they figure out how they have been hoodwinked before too long.

However, boys in school face the most horrific bias that feminists can engineer. The few who still have solid families get the business early on, and those who don't are harassed out of any hope of college because of feminist hate and bias games.

I, for one parent of many, have had it!

We had to get a TRO to keep the school administrator from acting out any more hatred so that we could put him in St. John's Academy. It will cost us our retirement but we'd rather sacrifice our golden years than our son's future.

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paddster16 — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:29:33 GMT

In a Nut-Shell we are being asked if its right for kids to bring guns to school and to take shots at each other. Geoffbeneze reckons this is acceptable because it is in the constitution. Do you remember when the story came out about Saddam Hussein bringing a gun to school when he was a kid and shooting one of his classmates, How crazy was that? A kid bringing a gun to school! Its great in civilised society how you can argue with someone without crapping yourself as to whether they have a gun or not. How can you call yourself civilised if You still feel the need for everyone to carry guns around? Does that make whats happening all across africa ok, because evryone has a right to have a gun, including african kids? Throw Gun-toting Americans on another continent and paint their skin a different colour then take a picture. How quick would you be to condemn what you see in the picture ?

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geoffbeneze — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:08:07 GMT

you, my little piece of coprolite, seem to be drawing your facts from the same place your namesake comes from.

In short, you haven't clue ONE as to what you're talking about. ZERO, NO ONE advocates children bringing firearms to school. NO ONE (but, apparently, you).

College yes, but those aren't children. And so far, NO other way has been found to stop the crazies that infest EVERY society known to man.

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TheGreatDane — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:00:45 GMT

Primarily in response to Paddster16:

In a Nut-Shell we are being asked if its right for kids to bring guns to school and to take shots at each other.

No! That's not it at all! What an awful situation that would be! Nobody wants folks to tote guns around and casually take shots at each other! This is an anti-gun distortion. Put very simply: the victims of this shooting did not have the right to defend themselves - thanks to people like you and the "gun free zone". Nothing deters criminals like armed citizens (lawful, licensed citizens of course). The "gun free zone" sure didn't.

Geoffbeneze reckons this is acceptable because it is in the constitution

Don't you believe in the freedoms established by the constitution? It was John Adams who said, " Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion... in private self-defense."

Its great in civilised society how you can argue with someone without crapping yourself as to whether they have a gun or not.

Well, in a civilized society, licensed gun-carriers know guns are not for arguments - to save life only. It's the criminals who use their weapons at every opportunity. Best of luck with your bowel problem.

How can you call yourself civilised if You still feel the need for everyone to carry guns around?

Oh, you're so progressive - even with your spelling. Why don't you believe in the right to defend yourself? It reminds me of a quote by John Stuart Mill: "The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."

Does that make whats happening all across africa ok, because evryone has a right to have a gun, including african kids? Throw Gun-toting Americans on another continent and paint their skin a different colour then take a picture. How quick would you be to condemn what you see in the picture ?

My goodness, you are all over the map. Racism? Seriously? You have no idea what nationality I am, or the background of anyone responding to this topic. Leave your predjudices out of this.

Let me be clear: there absolutely should be safety-measures to ensure psychopaths do not acquire weapons easily. A problem arises once the safety-measures prohibit lawful citizens the right of self-defense. PERIOD.

I don't carry a gun to kill people. I carry a gun to keep from being killed. I don't carry a gun to scare people. I carry a gun because sometimes this world can be a scary place. I don't carry a gun because I'm paranoid. I carry a gun because there are real threats in the world. I don't carry a gun because I'm evil. I carry a gun because I have lived long enough to see the evil in the world. I don't carry a gun because I hate the government. I carry a gun because I understand the limitations of government. I don't carry a gun because I'm angry. I carry a gun so that I don't have to spend the rest of my life hating myself for failing to be prepared. I don't carry a gun because I want to shoot someone. I carry a gun because I want to die at a ripe old age in my bed, and not on a sidewalk somewhere tomorrow afternoon. I don't carry a gun to make me feel like a man. I carry a gun because men know how to take care of themselves and the ones they love. I don't carry a gun because I feel inadequate. I carry a gun because unarmed and facing three armed thugs, I am inadequate. I don't carry a gun because I love it. I carry a gun because I love life and the people who make it meaningful to me.

Police Protection is an oxymoron. Free citizens must protect themselves. Police do not protect you from crime, they usually just investigate the crime after it happens and then call someone in to clean up the mess.

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southern7162 — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:29:34 GMT

Padddster, you have been listening to too many communist agitators, so you are here to agitate for them too. Let me tell you a story. A very nice man I know wound up in the hospital with 25 (count 'em, twenty five) stab wounds because a drug-crazed leftist broke into his home and wanted to ransack his bathroom cabinet for any narcotics he may have had.

The druggie thought my friend was dead (nearly was) but my friend had the presence of mind to use his last bit of strength to crawl to his bedside table, got his revolver, and shot the lunatic with a bloody knife.

My friend was unable to call 911, but the noise from the gunshot alerted a neighbor that something was amiss, so she called the police to report the gunshot. The police arrived in time to take the druggie off my friend, as he gave my friend another five stabs.

By a medical miracle, my friend survived, but he had to spend 32 days in the hospital. The lunatic got ten years in prison for attempted murder 1. The Sheriff's department found out that the druggie had killed four other people the same way. The druggie got twenty years for each of his murders and no parole. That's ninety years in prison.

If he hadn't had that gun, the druggie would have gotten away quite literally with multiple murder and would have killed again.

Paddster, you have to trust us with the means to defend our lives in our society with rising violent crime rates or you will see violence get worse and worse. What your communist "friends" told you about law abiding gun owners was a pack of lies!

I just pray that you will not be the next helpless victim of a killing spree.

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geoffbeneze — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:27:52 GMT

"I just pray that you will not be the next helpless victim of a killing spree."

The saying goes that a A Leftist is a Conservative who hasn't yet been mugged."

Of course I wouldn't expect a piece of dung like Pad to comprehend such a concept.

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southern7162 — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:46:23 GMT

The saying goes that a A Leftist is a Conservative who hasn't yet been mugged."

True enough! Soft targets catch the most violence as history has taught us. I forget the name of the Georgia town, but they enacted an ordinance that everyone had to have a gun in their home and take time at the police range to learn how to use it.

Persons who had a moral objection or were legally disqualified didn't have to arm themselves.

Violent crime dropped to record lows, non-violent crime went to virtually non-existent, and people just felt safer when they were allowed to go to the market with a small frame revolver in an open holster. Property values rose sharply because people from neighboring towns wanted to move in, where they were safer than in unarmed towns around them. Business flourished because they didn't have to worry about robbers anymore.

Everyone came out ahead!

Leftists harped and raged about that because it discredited everything that they believed about guns and gun owners. That is why the news media went on the warpath to raise hatred against law abiding citizens of any sort.

The only thing I didn't see the press do was to quote Der Sturmer.

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geoffbeneze — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:52:59 GMT

Kennesaw, Georgia

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geoffbeneze — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:59:49 GMT

Gun Control Has Proven Record of Effectiveness
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to
1953,approximately 20 million dissidents, unable to defend
themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5
million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded
up and exterminated.

In 1928, Germany established gun control. From 1939 to 1945, 13
million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally ill, and others,
who were unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.

In 1935, China established gun control. From 1948 to 1952, 20
million political dissidents were unable to defend themselves
and were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1964, Guatemala established gun control. From 1964 to 1981,
100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were
rounded up and exterminated.

In 1970, Uganda established gun control. From 1971 to 1979,
300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded
up and exterminated.

In 1956, Cambodia established gun control. From 1975 to 1977,
one million "educated" people, unable to defend themselves,
were rounded up and exterminated.

That places total victims who lost their lives because of gun
control at approximately 56 million in the last century. Since we
should learn from the mistakes of history, the next time
someone talks in favor of gun control, find out which group of
citizens they wish to have exterminated.

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Rocmike3 — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:23:01 GMT

Geoff, you speak the truth.

Charlemange disarmed the people and then, unable to resist, taxed the empire to squalor while the peasants lived in horrific poverty.

Australia imposed bans on all weapons they considered "non sporting": over 22 caliber long rifle, more than one shot, and rigidly licensed to exclude "undesirables" like the descendants of Aborigines.

The paranoia of leftist liberals has oppressed the people they claimed to serve wherever that abomination has ever gone.

We are about to face the same sort of vile racist persecution here. As Jeremiah Wright once said "Everyone is a pimp and we gotta sell 'em whores. If they don't buy, shoot 'em and get whitey first!"

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smalpecker — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 03:30:44 GMT

First off,no 2 yearold can buy a gun,recieve a gun in the united states as there is paperwork to be filled out for the batf that would prevent this,also thats called a straw purchace and is a felony in the usa for the person giving the gun and recieveing the gun so no bank is going to allow that to happen here.as soon as the 2 yearolds birth date is put on the form for the batf to approve the purchace it will be rejected by the bank or the batf as you have to be i believe its 18 years of age.plus if the kids name was on the application and the gun went to the father everyone would be arrested that was involved at the bank and home,obviously you have no idea what it takes to purchace a firearm in the united states,and can not purchace one in canada,at the very bottom of your letter it says if a robber broke in to your house armed you wouldent have a chance if he was armed ,i beg your pardon,if a robber breaks into my house we have a law called the castle doctrine just for that problem,and we can shoot them on sight,they have no bussiness in your home uninvited,we dont have to see if there armed etc ,so most robbers have taken up another type of crime or got a job rather than risk that,also since the castle doctrine was enacted crime rates has reversed dramaticaly ,also since concealed carry was made easier to obtain by reduceing the cost ,not the requirements for obtaining it,which also has dettered crime and stopped many crimes in progress before the police arrived.maybe you canidians should reconsider your gun laws esp after i read about the gentleman on the bus with the big knife that attacked people severing the head of one of them,everyone got off the bus and did not attempt to help stop the man,here in the usa we believe in helping our fellow man when in trouble not fleeing ,had one of you had any guts or a permit for concealed carry that man with the knife would be dead and possiably the victems would be alive today.

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smalpecker — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 03:47:29 GMT

look at it from a criminals point of view,are you more likely to break into an unarmed countrys citizens home and rob them ,or are you going to try to break into a armed citzens home?Most crooks are not the brightest people in the world thats why there crooks,but i think they can figure out which is safer to break in to.

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southern7162 — Sat, 06 Dec 2008 03:27:19 GMT

Dane points out, about our beloved Paddster16:

Does that make whats happening all across africa ok, because evryone has a right to have a gun, including african kids? Throw Gun-toting Americans on another continent and paint their skin a different colour then take a picture. How quick would you be to condemn what you see in the picture ?

Well, we all knew the fact that leftists are racist paranoids of the lowest and meanest caste. Paddster just proved it agan, and again, and again.

It is easy to get sick of Paddie-Boy's vitriol and neurotic bias. But consider: he is not the only one with that neurotic bias.

That means, out of 338 million Americans, at least 100,000 suffer that disorder! Oh my God! What can we do to defend ourselves from Paddster screeching obscenities and unreason at us day and night?

The unnerving fact is that Germany had 338 million law abiding citizens, and about 100,000 Brown Shirts plastering antisemitic propaganda everywhere there was wall space. And then, that same 100,000 lunatics started breaking people's windows if they didn't sign on as members of the Nazi Party.

The name, Crystallnacht is an obscenity to the present.

We have lunatics and political extortionists like Paddster and Goebbels with us always.

Considering that we are in exactly the same situation now as Germany in 1936, when Hitler was "elected" to the Chancellery, then we see very, very clearly the fact that matters can be no different here as they were there -- because of the fact that the exact same mechanism is now in place.

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paddster16 — Sat, 06 Dec 2008 12:20:11 GMT

geez southern1762 u really are Twisted. Do you even have a life outside of Yedda . Its the busier time of year for me so i only get to check for half an hour b4 bed.

You are so famous for your 'Leftist ' Jibes... Because obama got voted in ( Bet its still the hot topic at your 'KLAN' meetings) Does that mean 3/4 of the American Public are Leftists?

I Would love to know where you got your 338 Million German Population From ????

At the outbreak of World War I in 1914, the population of Germany had reached about 68 million. A major demographic catastrophe, the war claimed 2.8 million lives and caused a steep decline in the birth rate. In addition, the 1919 Treaty of Versailles awarded territories containing approximately 7 million German inhabitants to the victors and to newly independent or reconstituted countries in Eastern Europe.

In the 1930s, during the regime of Adolf Hitler, a period of expansion added both territory and population to the Third Reich. Following the annexation of Austria in 1938 and the Sudetenland (part of Czechoslovakia) in 1939, German territory and population encompassed 586,126 square kilometers and 79.7 million people, according to the 1939 census. The census found that women still outnumbered men (40.4 million to 38.7 million), despite a leveling trend in the interwar period.

The carnage of World War II surpassed that of World War I. German war losses alone were estimated at 7 million, about half of whom died in battle. Ruined, defeated, and divided into zones of occupation, a much smaller Germany emerged in 1945 with a population about the same as in 1910. In the immediate postwar period, however, more than 12 million persons--expelled Germans and displaced persons--immigrated to Germany or used the country as a transit point en route to other destinations, adding to the population.

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You Are Clearly bred from VITRIOL as a lot of people can read....

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paddster16 — Sat, 06 Dec 2008 12:55:24 GMT

Lets see geoffbeneze You believe kids dont bring guns to school ? College yes, but those aren't children

http://www.capemaycountyherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11116

http://www.wzzm13.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=84262

Day Care 4 Year old!

http://www.c-spanarchives.org/congress/?q=node/77531&id=8729685

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,452406,00.html

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/education/blog/2008/04/boy_6_brings_loaded_guns_to_ra.html

Whats so civilised about walking around with a loaded gun ? Its great how you can walk around Europe and Australia with ease... Knowing you can argue with someone without having to worry about them pulling a gun on you. You can understand a war torn country yes.... But the prime example of Democracy and freedom ? With overcrowded prisons? Thats why so many Americans head abroad for Holidays.

HEY GUYS MAKE A NEW YEARS RESOLUTION : TRAVEL OVERSEAS EXPERIENCE REAL FREEDOM (REAL FREEDOM OF PRESS) SEE WHAT ITS LIKE NOT TO HAVE TO CARRY A GUN AROUND. YOU'LL LOVE IT!

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geoffbeneze — Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:05:39 GMT

Paddy m'boy, you ARE mentally ill. You continue to respond to things no one said, in a vain attemtpt to prove something that's only important to you, and events for which there are a infinitesimal number of occurrences. Then you try to allude to your 'superiority' by telling us to travel.

We can play that game. I lived in Germany for 8 years, attended the german school system, hitch hiked and bicycled around the whole of Europe and the Brit isles. I spent significant time in Africa, have traveled Mexico through and through and have made several forays into Canada.

If you think you can travel unscathed through most of those places now, you simply reenforce the notion that you are completely detached from any form of reality.

You have every right to dislike guns and not partake of them yourself. However, the Constitution affirms these rights (not bestows them) to the people of the country. You have ZERO right to impose your will on the rest of us." So, take your medication and learn to live with reality little boy.

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Rocmike3 — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 06:21:06 GMT

According to Paddster:

Paddie-boy, when was the last time you went hunting? Okay, I admit it, I shoot Bambisaurus Trytofindus, Elkus Megasaurus, and Ursus Wreckthecamp.

I also hunt little orange dots in the center of somewhat larger black dots printed on the worst grade of paper ever made.

Even worse than that, I shoot little clay pigeons!

Isn't that awful of me? I must also say that the best way to learn discipline is to put a gun in the hands of a rebellious teenager, and have him sit on the firing line amid a bunch of roosters what knows how to split frog hair at a klick. They might come in thinkig they're "bad to the bone" but when they leave the range that afternoon, they come out humble -- and very teachable.

"An armed society is a polite society." Macchiavelli.

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geoffbeneze — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 06:32:44 GMT

Mike, the "Armed Society" quote is from Robert A. Heinlein. Much research has been expended to verify that it was RAH and not some Other Greek Named Homer.

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Rocmike3 — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 08:19:11 GMT

Many apologies, Geoff!

Anyway, I have seen about 3,000 different nasty things to do to people along the trails of Vietnam. Booby-traps, improvised mines, pongi-pits, step-and-a-half traps, scorpion pits, rat traps, tiger traps, spike logs, and so many others that it would make your head spin.

It is not difficult to improvise explosives or set up traps that will cut the legs off any pursuer. If the Vietnamese taught me anythig, it is how to appear one way, act another, and fade back into "the world" undetected.

I have enough heavy equipment on my lot right now to set up enough pongi-pits to stall the United States Army for a decade and they would never know who did it.

Anyone who tries to take I treasure, will find out what a mistake that is.

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Lee — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:02:21 GMT

I think the tragedy at Columbine High School a year ago illustrates the deficiencies of current gun control laws. Anyone who is interested in the gun control debate, whether they are on the gun rights side, anti-freedom (pro-gun control) side, or still sitting on the fence, would do well to read this book.