Should all belivers seek the baptism of the holy ghost???

richard — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 03:25:36 GMT

For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the Spirit of man which is in HIM?......Even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. So what am I saying to you? I AM SAYING TO YOU, UNLESS YOU SEEK AND RECEIVE THE GIFTS OR GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST YOU CAN NOT UNDERSTAND GODS WORDS! for it is written! now can you see it?? except where man try's to teach you! and that of a man of God, and that will give you enough to belive in the baptism of the Holy Ghost, and to be able to receive the baptism of the Holy ghost! this is the spirit of the comforter, which will intercede for you through the spirit

RE: Should all belivers seek the baptism of the holy ghost???

Jay aka EET — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 04:14:53 GMT

The baptism of Jesus as described, indicated that the Holy Spirit descended and lit upon Jesus. (End of Matt. 3.)

So, tell me, is "pneuma tou theou" not the Holy Spirit. If it is, then this is a description of being baptized in the Holy Spirit.

I been accosted,

Jay

P.S. I do not believe in the cessation of Apostolic gifts.

RE: Should all belivers seek the baptism of the holy ghost???

Sweet Gypsey — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 04:17:00 GMT

Richard with me I really can not give you a true answer on this question. I am Jewish, but I still believe in other religions also, I grew up with many around me so my belief in Christ is different than most Jews, so I don't want to give an off the wall answer. Like I once said if Moses could part the waters, why can't we believe that Jesus is the Messiha.

Gypsey

RE: Should all belivers seek the baptism of the holy ghost???

American Patriot — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 04:21:31 GMT

I am confused. I want to do things right...How do you lead someone into receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Are we suppose to what we call (tarry) with them?

The things you bring up require much more teaching than I can do in a short post, so please be patient if I do not tie up all the loose ends. The Baptism of the Holy Ghost is a much confused doctrine. Many have used it to teach their own version of what it should be. But please consider these points.
We are never commanded to seek the baptism of the Holy Ghost. After the resurrection of Christ, the disciples were told to "wait for the promise of the Father." This does refer to the baptism with the Holy Ghost. However, common Christians since that time have never been told to seek this baptism.
Every true believer has the Holy Ghost dwelling them. They cannot get more of Him. Romans 8:9 states, "Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." That is, if you have Christ, you have His Spirit. If you do not have the Spirit, you do not have Christ.
However, before the book of Acts, this was not so. Believers did not automatically have the indwelling Spirit of God. Consider these verses:

John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

You see, the Spirit of God was with them, but He had not began to dwell in them. That would come to pass after Christ was glorified--that is, resurrected and ascended into heaven with His glorified body.

The baptism of the Holy Ghost refers to the time on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2 when the Holy Ghost came on all of them that were gathered. It was never meant to be an individual gift. Rather, it was a mass submersion into the Holy Ghost for the purpose of giving them power to be witnesses for God (see Acts 1:8). The baptism with the Holy Ghost has never occurred on an individual basis but always with a group of people. Also, it is historical and there is no command anywhere in scripture telling us to seek another Pentecost. That is the teaching of man.

Speaking in tongues was a special gift for a special time. It was used to spread the gospel and to prove that the spoken word of the disciples was indeed from God. Though it came on the day of Pentecost, it has never been required for any proof of spirituality of any kind. Paul himself asked, "do all speak with tongues?" (1 Corinthians 12:30). He meant that all did not speak with tongues. In 1 Corinthians 14, he refers to speaking in tongues as a lesser gift, not nearly as important as showing love or preaching the word. How could this be a requirement for receiving the Holy Ghost? It is not.

What we are commanded to seek after salvation is the filling of the Holy Ghost; not the baptism with the Holy Ghost (an event in Acts); not the baptism by the Spirit (an invisible event occurring at the time of salvation); not the indwelling of the Spirit (a gift given to every saved person). The filling of the Spirit does not give us any more of the Spirit. In fact, a Christian cannot have any more of the Spirit than he or she already has. But the Holy Spirit can have more of us. That is the filling of the Holy Ghost.

Consider your life as a house with many rooms. When you got saved, the Holy Spirit came to dwell in your house and He will never leave you. You can never have more of Him than you do now. However, you can lock up certain rooms of your life and keep the Holy Ghost out of them. In Ephesians 5:18, we are commanded, "And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit." Just as a drunkard surrenders himself to the influence of alcohol (he is said to be "under the influence"), so we are to surrender ourselves entirely to the influence of the Spirit of God. We are to be under His influence. We are to open every room of our life to Him and let Him have full control of our lives. This is what we are to seek from the Lord--not the baptism with the Holy Ghost. There is still much more to be said.

RE: Should all belivers seek the baptism of the holy ghost???

finabiscotti — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 04:57:00 GMT

"we the people" are experiencing - BAPTSIM by FIRE - under the Obama Administration.

RE: Should all belivers seek the baptism of the holy ghost???

Nanadee — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 05:00:27 GMT

The Holy Spirit can change your life “All believers are entitled to and should ardently expect and earnestly seek ... “The baptism of believers in the Holy Ghost is witnessed by the initial ... In other passages, the Spirit “fell” (Acts 10:44; 11:15, KJV), people “received” the Spirit ... We seek to maintain the biblical emphasis on Spirit-baptism. ...1 John 5:7-8 (King James Version) 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 5:14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: 5:15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him. 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin [which is] not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death. 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. 1 CORN 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether [there be] prophecies, they shall fail; whether [there be] tongues, they shall cease; whether [there be] knowledge, it shall vanish away. Acts 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness Acts 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. Acts 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning Acts 13:52 And the disciples were filled with joy, and with the Holy Ghost. Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. RICHARD HOPE THIS HELPS SOMEONE OUT THERE. GOD BLESS NANADEE