What do you think, is there Father God, and God the Son

Whirlwindflower — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 16:50:46 GMT

Mark 15:34
And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Mark 15:33-35 (in Context) Mark 15 (Whole Chapter)

John 1

14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only,[d] who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Revelation 21

22I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. 24The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. 25On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. 26The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. 27Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.

2 Peter 1:17
For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
2 Peter 1:16-18 (in Context) 2 Peter 1 (Whole Chapter)

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Lido — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 17:26:47 GMT

Yes

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Whirlwindflower — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 17:32:23 GMT

I agree Lido. This and many more passages in the Bible says so:

Hebrews 1 (King James Version)

Hebrews 1
1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
4Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
6And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
10And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
12And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
13But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

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Tippy — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 06:02:27 GMT

Diana,

I have a strong belief that Jesus the Son and God the Father are one and the same.

John 1:1-3 In the begining was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory, the glory as the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John 1: 10 -11 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, shew us the Father?

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsello, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Be Blessed

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Tippy — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 06:09:31 GMT

Diana,

Don't forget that our God is Omipresence. He has the ability to be everywhere at the same time. This means that he could be on earth and in heaven at the same time. God was present as Lord in all creation (Ps 139:7-12), and there is no escaping him.

Be Blessed

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durtbag — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 08:55:19 GMT

Hear Oh Isreal the LORD our God , The LORD iz ONE

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james — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 10:37:59 GMT

ONE CANNOT BUT AGREE IT IS MY HOPE THAT THESE LINE OF QUESTIONS WILL LEAD SOMEONE TO CHRIST TIME IS SHORT DONT PUT OFF SO GREAT A SALVATION ETERNAL LIFE DO YOU FELL YOUR LIFE IS SOMETIMES A HELL WELL YOU NEED TO KNOW THE REAL HELL WILL COME IF ONE DOES NOT ACCEPT CHRIST AS THEIR SAVIOR LOOK TO JESUS CHRIST AND SAY BE MERCIFUL TO ME A SINNER THEN THERE WILL NOT BE ANY HELL FOR YOU WHEN YOU DIE. SO SIMPLE.GOD BLESS

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Whirlwindflower — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 15:31:30 GMT

James, wow you saw the meaning behind my questions. I figured the more we talk about the Lord, the more people will have him in their thoughts. God be with you. Di

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Whirlwindflower — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 15:39:17 GMT

Yes Tippy, the son of God is a God true. And this is not a contention between God and his son. Then why the passages below. It does not matter, or does it? I believe myself that Jesus is the Perfect Son of God and is a God. I believe that God the Father is the Majestic God.

My own son believes that they are one, my daughter does not. I know they are one just like he is the head of our family and when we give our hearts to him......we become one with him.

But they are 2 separate entities. These show that. It is important to believe in the Son, if you believe that God is the Son and the Son is God. Then you have not in essense believed in the Son.

2 Peter 1:17
For he received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."
Peter 1:16-18 (in Context) 2 Peter 1 (Whole Chapter)
1 John 3:8
He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work.
1 John 3:7-9 (in Context) 1 John 3 (Whole Chapter)
1 John 4:9
This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him.
1 John 4:8-10 (in Context) 1 John 4 (Whole Chapter)
1 John 4:10
This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.
1 John 4:9-11 (in Context) 1 John 4 (Whole Chapter)
1 John 4:15
If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God.
1 John 4:14-16 (in Context) 1 John 4 (Whole Chapter)
1 John 5:1
[ Faith in the Son of God ] Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well.
1 John 5:1-3 (in Context) 1 John 5 (Whole Chapter)
1 John 5:5
Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.
1 John 5:4-6 (in Context) 1 John 5 (Whole Chapter)
1 John 5:9
We accept man's testimony, but God's testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son.
1 John 5:8-10 (in Context) 1 John 5 (Whole Chapter)
1 John 5:10
Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart. Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his Son.
1 John 5:9-11 (in Context) 1 John 5 (Whole Chapter)
1 John 5:11
And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1 John 5:10-12 (in Context) 1 John 5 (Whole Chapter)
1 John 5:12
He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
1 John 5:11-13 (in Context) 1 John 5 (Whole Chapter)
1 John 5:13
[ Concluding Remarks ] I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.
1 John 5:12-14 (in Context) 1 John 5 (Whole Chapter)
1 John 5:20
We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true—even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
1 John 5:19-21 (in Context) 1 John 5 (Whole Chapter)
2 John 1:3
Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Father's Son, will be with us in truth and love.
2 John 1:2-4 (in Context) 2 John 1 (Whole Chapter)
2 John 1:9
Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
2 John 1:8-10 (in Context) 2 John 1 (Whole Chapter)
Revelation 2:18
[ To the Church in Thyatira ] "To the angel of the church in Thyatira write:These are the words of the Son of God, whose eyes are like blazing fire and whose feet are like burnished bronze.
Revelation 2:17-19 (in Context) Revelation 2 (Whole Chapter)
Hebrews 1:5
For to which of the angels did God ever say, "You are my Son; today I have become your Father " ? Or again, "I will be his Father, and he will be my Son" ?
Hebrews 1:4-6 (in Context) Hebrews 1 (Whole Chapter)
Hebrews 5:5
So Christ also did not take upon himself the glory of becoming a high priest. But God said to him, "You are my Son; today I have become your Father. "
Hebrews 5:4-6 (in Context) Hebrews 5 (Whole Chapter)
1 Peter 1:3
[ Praise to God for a Living Hope ] Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
1 Peter 1:2-4 (in Context) 1 Peter 1 (Whole Chapter)
2 Peter 1:17
For he received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."
2 Peter 1:16-18 (in Context) 2 Peter 1 (Whole Chapter)
1 John 5:1
[ Faith in the Son of God ] Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well.
1 John 5:1-3 (in Context) 1 John 5 (Whole Chapter)
2 John 1:3
Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Father's Son, will be with us in truth and love.
2 John 1:2-4 (in Context) 2 John 1 (Whole Chapter)

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Whirlwindflower — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 16:05:40 GMT

So many things I agree in the Bible confuse us, because we are mortals, human flesh, human brain. When we get to heaven Brothers and Sisters in Christ, we will be like small children with our mouths open in awe. We will see beauty beyond description, we will see technological things that far surpass our technology or anything on this earth. Not that God needs all of this to do his work. Just like the book of life is not needed, for we are already known in it, but just like Satan, people will ask well why is she or he in it when I am not. The Word has always been documented by God the Father to back up his decisions. No he does not need them, but he loves us, and is a Just God, and mankind will ask.

He could of rid the universe of Satan also, but he had to show everyone in heaven and earth that he is a loving and Just God, so he basically has let Satan destroy himself by his deeds.

God's realm is so far above our mortal concept that if he told us all our human brains could not absorb it all. Not even the most elect.

I will finish with this my Brothers and Sisters in Christ:

The River of Life

1 And he showed me a pure[a] river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. 3 And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him. 4 They shall see His face, and His name shall be on their foreheads. 5 There shall be no night there: They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign forever and ever

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james — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:45:44 GMT

WOW LETS HAVE A REVIVAL THIS IS EXCITING ALL THESE QUESTIONS ABOUT JESUS OUR SAVIOR AND GOD OUR HEAVENLY FATHER. ACCEPT JESUS AS YOUR SAVIOR TODAY IM PRAYING ABOUT THIS LET ME KNOW IF YOU DO GOD BLESS.

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Tippy — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 01:40:01 GMT

Hi Di,
We share different beliefs but that is Ok because we both serve the same God.

I truly believe that Jesus (the Word), is God manifested in the flesh. The Bible says that the World was made by the Word and the Word was God and he became flesh and dwelled among his people.

"...they shall call his name EMMANUEL, which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US." --MATTHEW 1:23

"I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour." Isaiah 43:11

To the only wise God our Saviour... Jude 1:12

God our Saviour. Titus 2:10

We trust in the living God, who is the Saviour. I Timothy 4:10

God my Saviour. Luke 1:47

I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself. Isaiah 44:24

Jesus said, "Fear not; I am the first and the last:" Revelation 1:17

U]nto the Son he saith...Thou, LORD, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands. Hebrews 1:10

[B]y him (Jesus) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth...all things were created by him, and for him. Colossians 1:16

T]the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ...gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity.. Titus 2:13-14

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD. Deuteronomy 6:4

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1 John 5:7

And Thomas answered and said unto [Jesus], My Lord and my God. John 20:28

I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another... Isaiah 42:8

But unto the Son he [God] saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Hebrews 1:8

"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, BELIEVED ON in the world, RECEIVED UP into glory." --1 Timothy 3:16

"Hereby perceive we the love of GOD, because he LAID DOWN HIS LIFE for us... -------1 John 3:16

"And they stoned Stephen, calling upon GOD, and saying, LORD JESUS, receive my spirit." --Acts 7:59

"The voice of him [John the Baptist] that crieth in the wilderness, PREPARE ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway FOR OUR GOD." -- Isaiah 40:3

Be Blessed

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rcscrolls — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 01:53:38 GMT

Yes there will always be The Father God, Christ Jesus God, and the Holy spirit who is God.

As in old testament God the Father Metaphorically divorced Israel Jere 3:8.

And His Son the Prince to come was betrothed to the Free woman the church.

And He inherited all things from the Father. Jesus Spiritually Desolated Israel in Matt 21 Metaphor of the Fig tree is Israel. Then He Physically Desolated them in 70 AD and Christ married the Bride us His woman arrayed in fine linen. the Free woman, /Israel was the Bondwoman do a study on it. its wonderful. RCScrolls

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Whirlwindflower — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 01:54:07 GMT

Yes, true. We can have different opinions that is what this site is about. And I still love you Tippy and cherish your dedication to the Lord. Di

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james — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:19:43 GMT

wouldn't it be wonderful if america came back to god and he forgave us all for our sins good morals would come about no more aborting little babies; man and woman in marriage; cancer would leave,all manner of sickness gone sounds like heaven doesen't it none of these problems will exist in heaven and if you gave your life to the lord jesus you will experience a life time of heaven yes there is god the father and god the son but god wants you to honor his son because of his death on the cross that was the plan he died for our sins so you could live believe this its so true you have everything to gain god bless im praying for you reader.

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Whirlwindflower — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:57:23 GMT

Good answer James and I only wish that we all would. During 911, I thought, if we all prayed together throughout America. We would not have to take up a weapon for God would take care of the guilty ones and bring them to defeat. America return to God and he will heal us is my cry. Di

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Lpe04 — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:03:47 GMT

Actually the whole point of the Nicene Creed was there were two main thoughts in Christianity and a definite split between the two groups. One was that Jesus was not God the Father but like the Bible says a "man appointed by God, etc." The man who called the First council of Nicaea really didn't know anything about Christianity but thought that it would be easier to just accept the later, and thus that was the direction the "church" took for the next 1500 years. Interesting a man who wasn't even a Christian decided the fate of the church for the next millenia. Actually, this was probably about the time the Roman Catholic church dominated and Christianity was pretty much state-run, which is usually not a good thing.

Just as people in mainstream Judaism, (Pharisees and Sadducees) distorted the Truth, so do those in mainstream Christianity. They persecuted Christ and they will persecute you too. The reason the Spirit of the Lord is working so mightily in China and places like India is because these people don't have preconceived ideas about God but just love the Lord with all their heart. He who has ears to hear let him hear.

Go to God in prayer and ask Him to show you the truth and not just what you have been taught.

God bless,

JesusDevotionals.org

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Whirlwindflower — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:06:11 GMT

True my friend, but read this:

Matthew 3 (New International Version)

The Baptism of Jesus
13Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. 14But John tried to deter him, saying, "I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?"
15Jesus replied, "Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness." Then John consented.
16As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him. 17And a voice from heaven said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."
As Mortals we don't always understand. But we are thirsting for knowledge to know, and that is a good thing.

Hebrews 1 (New International Version)

Hebrews 1 The Son Superior to Angels 1In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. 3The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.

Throughout the Bible it states there is the God the Father, and God the Son.

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Whirlwindflower — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 00:18:28 GMT

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
John 3:15-17 (in Context) John 3 (Whole Chapter)
John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.
John 3:17-19 (in Context) John 3 (Whole Chapter)
John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him."
John 3:35-36 (in Context) John 3 (Whole Chapter)
1 John 5:10
Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart. Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his Son.
1 John 5:9-11 (in Context) 1 John 5 (Whole Chapter)

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Yahshammah — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:06:54 GMT

Here's a study on the Kurios and the Theos that explains the mistranslation of John 1:

The LOGOS

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Whirlwindflower — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:25:39 GMT

Sorry you think the Bible can be mistranslated.......because God always makes sure his words come true. He is God, he does not let people make mistakes with the Holy Bible.......for it is his word........

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Lido — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 02:12:01 GMT

That is an interesting youtube presentation. I'm not certain if it is saying that Messiah Yeshuah is the son of God? John 1 says that the Word became flesh (Yeshuah) and the Word was God. It seems plain to me.

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james — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 02:18:54 GMT

absolutely whirlwindflower the reason jesus saved us is to tell others so they can be saved keep up your good work the harvest is plentiful and needs to be harvested there are so many lost and need christ in their heart so they can be saved christ is coming soon that is my hope i want to meet him in the air and i want to see all my friends and family and whoso ever right with me so you reader believe on the lord jesus christ and you will be saved im asking god to save you but you will have to believe in his son and receive him as your savior.do it now. god bless.

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Whirlwindflower — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 02:35:54 GMT

Lido,

John 1 (King James Version)

John 1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Throughout John, Mark, the whole Bible it clearly shows that there is God the Son and God the Father. If you do not believe in the Son, then you do not believe in the Father. I could quote you all kinds of passages.......even revelations he made the earth his footstool........he sits on the Right hand of the Father........so many...........but I tried and I failed.
When he was crucified, why did he cry out to himself if what people say is true..............He cried out to the Father who is the Majesty God, his Father.
Father, I pray for them all, they are good people, but religion has distorted the true meanings of your Word. Dear Lord Jesus come soon so you can teach them God's way instead of religion's way and mankind's way. Amen

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Yahshammah — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 02:53:56 GMT

Yahweh DID allow it, because despite the mistranslations (which were done by biased Hellenized pagans and the like) the Holy Spirit discerns it. The "righteousness seeker" looks into all things and verifies all things. "Believe" is also another evasive word.

I URGE all people who want to study the Bible to at least look up the meanings of the words in Strong's Concordance (which isn't without its flaws, but it's a start).

There are many free online outlets for Strong's. I like to use this one:

Strong's Concordance and more

If you think the Bible wasn't tampered with, then you have been misled. It is a verifiable fact.

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Yahshammah — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 02:56:17 GMT

Yahshua was a son of Yahweh and a Messiah (anointed). He came FROM the Father (Yahweh), but is not Yahweh.

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Whirlwindflower — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:10:03 GMT

Well, we will wait for Jesus to come and show people. This time he will rule as King for 1000 years and the devil will be gone and there will be no Religion or false interpretations. God be with you friends. Di

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Yahshammah — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:04:34 GMT

Maybe so, Di, but it will be much too late by that point, especially when we have all the resources we need now.

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Lido — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:25:01 GMT

Yahshammah, I respect your learning and your belief. For now we will have to agree to disagree on the Divinity of the Messiah.

In the meantime I hope sometime we will all meet in Heaven and enjoy the fullness of the Divine Truth.

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Whirlwindflower — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:08:59 GMT

Too late? Jesus's timing is always right. So it cannot be too late for the believers, his lambs. Only too late for the lost lambs. It is something no one will believe, but I already know I will be with him. He has even designated that I will be on his right side. Di

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Whirlwindflower — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:11:56 GMT

Oh my goodness I almost fell off my chair Yahshammah. We agree on something......lol........Di

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rcscrolls — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:54:44 GMT

Been asked this many of times through out the years and I believe that multiple witnesses are always better then one, for it is How GOD himself wishes for us to prove anything, and scripture always shows us things we can only take as divine.

Such as the Majesty of the Holy Trinity within a doctrinal Creed such as Father Son and Holy Spirit. in order we have in Galatians 1:1 God the Father who Raised him (JESUS) from the Dead. The Son John 2:19 Jesus says Destry this Temple and I will raise it up. Talking about His body the New Temple. And finally we see in that the Holy Spirit also raised Him from the dead. Romans 8:11 and if the Spirit (Holy Spirit) of Him that raised Christ Jesus from the dead dwell in you.

When we see this Divinity in scripture by three witnesses it only concludes to one thing God reveals Himself in three Persons. Other Questions I have had include the Older Testament, Did the Prophets understand the Trinity of God, absolutly in Isaiah 48:15 it is very evidential, First our Holy Father Speaks I even I have spoken yes I have called Him; I have brought Him and He shall make His way Prosperous.

Then in Verse 16 We hear our beloved Saviours voice 16:b The Lord God(the Father) and His (Holy Spirit) Spirit has sent me.(the Son)

perenthesis and clearity added by me.

Yes any saint of God knows How God reveals Himself, if we learn Hebrew we find very quickly that second and third voice is always seen. its just not as easy in a transliterated receptor langauge. This shows His Holy Majesty as well as His divinity throught out scripture. Hes an awsome LORD

RC Scroll

And yes now we hers the Holy Spirit of Truth speak and say

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Whirlwindflower — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:04:00 GMT

Awesome answer rcscrolls. Thumbs up kiddo. Di

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rcscrolls — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:52:54 GMT

I dont like bursting bubbles but your statement is at best only with Human logic. But heres your problem. Transliteration from Hebrew to Greek is the first problem, then we have to transliterate from Greek to English, which is to say JESUS is LORD.
The Tetragrmaton YAHWEY for one thing is a Hebrew word, since hebrew dosent have vowels but only consenants it makes you wrong. it is YHWY and is not to be spoken by Hebrews, it is only a way to alphabetize it. You sound more like a Jew or a Jehovahs witness to me. Which both are cultic, and not Christian.

Hebrew Jeshua, means Jehovah is our Salvationin English. Jesus is our Salvation.

The LORD (Jehovah) is my Shepard, Jesus says He is our Shephard.

The LORD is my Light, Jesus says He is the l;ight of the world.

When you say Jesus in English, you are Saying Jehovah in Greek or the Tetragramaton YHWH.

Read any passage in the older Testament about the LORD and you will See it fulfilled By Jesus. As in The LORD said unto my LORD.

Why would you take A hebrew word into an English thought this is technically wrong.

When you Say Jehovah as the Hebrew word name etc. You are infact in the english translation to say the same thing it would be transliterated as Jesus in English

Jesus is Jehovah. The LORD cometh on a cloud, Jehovah cometh on a cloud.

Jesus cometh on a cloud. God Bless you, hope this brings light to you.

at the cross the initials INRI were pout on a board above our saviors head.

When the Jewish mind reads in acrostics as they do, they would have seen the equivalent of I = Y n=H r= W I = Y in other words their hearts would have been pricked because instead of them reading Jesus of Nazareth King of the Jews. They READ YHWY the acostic meaning Jehovah is King of the Jews. rcscrolls@aol.com

If you are a Jehovahs witness please study with me at my Email. So I can provide hundreds of other proofs.

RE: What do you think, is there Father God, and God the Son

Whirlwindflower — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:53:44 GMT

Rcscrolls.........actually I am no Religion. I believe in the Father God who I call Poppa and I believe in Jesus period. They are not a religion. But when the Lord gave me my visions he stated, Do Not Be Afraid Di, it is I your Lord. Which was through the ears not the head.

So I have a very close relationship with both Poppa God(Majesty God) and God the Son, Jesus. It is not by other's opinions I form my answers, but from their answers to questions I ask.

Why do people think that God the Father and Jesus do not talk to us any more. Stop and listen and seek them diligently with all your heart.........I gave up my free will.........I do not need it........I only want their will.........and yes I would gladly die to defend my right to Worship them.

I am Cherokee, so if I sound Jew? to me that is because my roots are from there. Jesus was also born in Bethlaham and is also a Jew. During his time much was misinterpreted from the scrolls of the pharisees............my ancestry is considered one of the lost tribes of Israel.

Bottom line do I seek righteousness, do I keep the Commandments, do I love my fellow man...... yes.

Who do I love above all Father God, and Jesus.

You are trying to teach me my brother. You do not have to for I have the greatest teacher of all time...........Jesus....Di

RE: What do you think, is there Father God, and God the Son

rcscrolls — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 04:45:32 GMT

Well you have to keep that to yourself. I personally dont believe it because it cant be tested with the word of God. Its highly subjective, and it dosent matter how convinced you are that it happened. The Bible tells me not to listen to anyone who clqaims they were talked to after the Bible was written. It cannot be tested therefore I dont believe you. Thats why Gods word has the Armour of God. Which I ware . Plenty of people claim that God talked to them and there are just as many who are certifiably crazy. Not to mention others such as Jehovahs witnesses, mormons and other cultists such as David Coresh, And Jones. If you believe that then that will have to be good for you. I dont because like I said it cant be tested with the word of God, qwhich Gods word says to do. Test all thing in light of scripture. so I cant believe it. Jesus warns us not to be fooled by anyone who says here I am there He is or He told me so. Sorry you fall into the catagory as very Esoteric and not reliable because of it. God Bless

RE: What do you think, is there Father God, and God the Son

Tippy — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 05:55:05 GMT

rcscrolls,

Can you point me to the scripture that says not to listen to anyone who claims they were talked to after the Bible was written?"

I have read the Bible through and through each year and I have not read that scripture anywhere.

I was just curious because your words caught my eye and I am a Bible scholar.

Be Blessed

RE: What do you think, is there Father God, and God the Son

Whirlwindflower — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:20:34 GMT

Rcsrolls here is just a few. Trust me I hear the voice of the Lord and my two 9 year old grandchildren hear it.

Try to open your heart to the Lord. You are so engrossed in scipture that you do not seek his council.

Too many people are so programmed by the way they were brought up or by their belief.

God and Jesus love mankind...........why would they not talk to us and want a relationship with their people.

I have given my heart to them. There is nothing on this earth that I would not give up for them. Yes, I was born into sin, but once I truly gave my heart to them, I stopped sinning, I follow the 10 Commandments, and I love my fellow man. Whether they are good or bad.

Examine your life.............are you living your life the way the Lord would? That is not a criticism, but there is something you need to do apparently or you would here his voice. Or he would be guiding you and you would know that he is.......So many times I run into people, not by coincidence like it seems, complete strangers who he directs me too.

John 5:25
I tell you the truth, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live.
John 5:24-26 (in Context) John 5 (Whole Chapter)
John 5:28
"Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice
John 5:27-29 (in Context) John 5 (Whole Chapter)
Hebrews 3:7
[ Warning Against Unbelief ] So, as the Holy Spirit says: "Today, if you hear his voice,
Hebrews 3:6-8 (in Context) Hebrews 3 (Whole Chapter)
Revelation 3:20
Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.
Revelation 3:19-21 (in Context) Revelation 3 (Whole Chapter)

God our Father and Jesus are alive today.......they will rebuke us, but if we don't open our minds to the fact that they might talk to us..........no wonder you have not heard their voice.

You are the 4th person that has brought up some very bad people and compared me to them.

The bible also states:

Joel 2:28
[ The Day of the LORD ] "And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions.
Acts 2:17
" 'In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.
Acts 2:16-18 (in Context) Acts 2 (Whole Chapter)

Open your mind. God gave you a brain and a heart. Use them Brother. Di

RE: What do you think, is there Father God, and God the Son

Whirlwindflower — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:58:02 GMT

Okay, you do not see me in person. Only what I write, but those that truly have given their heart and life to Jesus have something visible that can be seen with the eyes.

When you truly put the Lord first in your life, your eyes will shine for the whole world to see. The joy cannot be hidden from the world. It is a light that lights up your whole face and makes your eyes glow with it when you just think about the Lord.

If people do not see this in your eyes.......then you have some work to do. Right Tippy?

I have dark green eyes, does not matter the eye color...When he fills up your life and soul those that see you and look into your eyes want that light to be in their eyes.

So in essense, you are being fisher of men. On the other hand, if you look into someone's eyes and see a small light, you hook that light and pull the good out of them to the surface. That is being fisher of men.

Words by Jesus from Bible:

Matthew 6:23
But if your eyes are bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!
Matthew 6:22-24 (in Context) Matthew 6 (Whole Chapter)
Luke 11:34
Your eye is the lamp of your body. When your eyes are good, your whole body also is full of light. But when they are bad, your body also is full of darkness.
Luke 11:33-35 (in Context) Luke 11 (Whole Chapter)
Luke 11:35
See to it, then, that the light within you is not darkness.
Luke 11:34-36 (in Context) Luke 11 (Whole Chapter)
Luke 11:36
Therefore, if your whole body is full of light, and no part of it dark, it will be completely lighted, as when the light of a lamp shines on you."
Luke 11:35-37 (in Context) Luke 11 (Whole Chapter)

RE: What do you think, is there Father God, and God the Son

Lido — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:25:42 GMT

Whirlwindflower, You say you have no religion, but it appears to me that you are very close to being a Christian, if not in name, at least in spirit.

RE: What do you think, is there Father God, and God the Son

Whirlwindflower — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:52:54 GMT

It is hard to explain, but God is not a religion, nor is Jesus. If I identify myself with a certain Religion then I am identifying myself with that belief.

Religion according to God's word, is:

Acts 26:5
Which knew me from the beginning, if they would testify, that after the most straitest sect of our religion I lived a Pharisee.
Acts 26:4-6 (in Context) Acts 26 (Whole Chapter)
Galatians 1:13
For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
Galatians 1:12-14 (in Context) Galatians 1 (Whole Chapter)
Galatians 1:14
And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.
Galatians 1:13-15 (in Context) Galatians 1 (Whole Chapter)
James 1:26
If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
James 1:25-27 (in Context) James 1 (Whole Chapter)
James 1:27
Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
James 1:26-27 (in Context) James 1 (Whole Chapter)

Many so called Religions including some who say they are Christians do not know Christ at all. I am not judging them, but others do. If I want to get his word out.......the only thing I want to identify myself with is God the Father, and God the Son, Jesus.

Apostle Paul started the term Christian, and the deciples debated it at first since they were of the Jewish faith. They then decided that yes the Holy Spirit had no problem with it and they actually liked the term.

Acts 11:26
And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
Acts 11:25-27 (in Context) Acts 11 (Whole Chapter)
Acts 26:28
Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.
Acts 26:27-29 (in Context) Acts 26 (Whole Chapter)
1 Peter 4:16
Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
1 Peter 4:15-17 (in Context) 1 Peter 4 (Whole Chapter)

Some people that have not been true Christians have in this world actually turned people away from the Lord.

Yes I am a Christian.........but not of a certain Religion order.

I know God the Father, and Jesus God the Son very well and they are deep within my heart. I love people and try to bring them in a real way to God and Jesus. If I am to help mankind find them, then I want to put all my loyalty and devotion into them directly.

To me when we put Christ into a certain religion category, which he is not. People used that against us in our country. Thus banning God and Jesus in our society because they classified it as a religion, which it is not. But it gave them a tool to use against us. Does that make sense? Di

RE: What do you think, is there Father God, and God the Son

Tippy — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 05:19:07 GMT

Whirlwindflower,

Keep listening to the voice of the Lord. He is real and he does visit his children.

If I may add a few more scriptures to what you have already thoroughly covered;

John 10:2-5 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

John 10:27-28 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Keep listening to the voice of the Lord and he will never lead you astray. I know that I will keep listening.

Be Blessed my Sister

RE: What do you think, is there Father God, and God the Son

Whirlwindflower — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 05:49:06 GMT

Tippy,

Thank you my sister in Christ.......so sweet of you. I cherish your friendship.......I am blessed and bless you too.......Di

RE: What do you think, is there Father God, and God the Son

Lido — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 18:21:12 GMT

Yahshammah, I am intrigued by your assertion that there have been deliberate mistranslations of the Bible. Could you cite a few examples?

RE: What do you think, is there Father God, and God the Son

Yahshammah — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:48:39 GMT

I am neither a Jew, Christian (any denomination) or JW. I say this - not just because you asked - but because many assume that I am Jewish or a Jehovah's Witness. Think what you will.

Technically, only the Old Testament is scripture, and the New Testament is simply clarification of the Old Testament (because these are the books the apostles and Yahshua taught from).

All throughtout the New Testament there are verses upon verses that show an uneven balance of power between Yahshua and Yahweh - Yahweh has more, and Yahshua is in SUBMISSION to Yahweh.

If Yahshua was Yahweh, then who sits on the throne, rscrolls?

For the benefit of all who read here: anyone who does a real unbiased study of the name Jesus will find a problem. His English name would translate to Joshua today. I prefer not to use pagan titles to refer to Yahweh, or my elder brother Yahshua. Aside from the "name game", a name is the same as "reputation".

Also, anyone who does a real study on the Nicene Creed will learn that a specific agenda was put into place and an entire world of knowledge will open up to you after that point.

RE: What do you think, is there Father God, and God the Son

Whirlwindflower — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:59:16 GMT

Exodus 3 (King James Version)

Exodus 3
15And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

RE: What do you think, is there Father God, and God the Son

Yahshammah — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 22:20:28 GMT

Of course.

Acts 12:4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.

*the word "Easter" was deliberately inserted into the above verse in place of PASCHA (or passover). Despite popular thought, Easter and Passover are NOT the same. Easter is a pagan festival dating back to the time of Babylon.

1 Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

*funny, shouldn't that say cross? Which is correct, tree (xulon) or cross (stauros)?

There are 97 entries in the KJV where the word reads "ghost" rather than "spirit". What's the difference? A ghost is a spooky floating apparition of a dead person, a Spirit is a PNEUMA (or mindset/attitude).

There are over 6,000 entries in the Old Testament where the word LORD is used in place of the tetragrammaton YHWH. It's ambiguous.

The name "Jesus" is used 942 times in the New Testament: Iesous (G2424) (of Hebrew origin 3091) Yehowshuwa (or Yahshua). YES, they changed his name.

The word "virgin" in Matthew 1:23 (compare to the word "virgin" used in Isaiah 7:14), it should properly say "maiden" or "spiritually pure" as used in Revelation 14:4 where the same word is used to refer to MEN.

You can get translations that read 1Corinthians 13 correctly (Darby), but in the KJV they chose the word "charity" rather than "love" (agape). Indeed, though, righteous love is a selfless act.

On the topic of Yahshua's "perfection", the KJV reads:

6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. 7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; 8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; 9 And being made perfect, he became the author (caused) of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

BUT Darby reads:

Hebrews 5 6 Even as also in another [place] he says, *Thou* [art] a priest for ever according to the order of Melchisedec. 7 Who in the days of his flesh, having offered up both supplications and entreaties to him who was able to save him out of death, with strong crying and tears; (and having been heard because of his piety;) 8 though he were Son, he learned obedience from the things which he suffered; 9 and having been perfected, became to all them that obey him, author of (caused) eternal salvation;

I cannot stress the importance of looking up the words yourself, tracing them back to their original Hebrew meaning, whenever possible. Most words do not have the same meaning in English as they do in Hebrew (a language rich with symbolism). You can get Bibles now that have restored the names of God and the Messiah.

RE: What do you think, is there Father God, and God the Son

Whirlwindflower — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 00:51:19 GMT

Yasshammah,

I agree with you on Easter for I know that Easter is not the same as Passover. Passover was used when Moses was leading the Jews out of Egypt and they were to put blood over their doorways, so that when the wrath of God came on the city, it would literaly pass over their residences.

Acts 12:4 (New International Version)

4After arresting him, he put him in prison, handing him over to be guarded by four squads of four soldiers each. Herod intended to bring him out for public trial after the Passover.
So whoever did that is under the Rath of God.

RE: What do you think, is there Father God, and God the Son

Whirlwindflower — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 01:04:01 GMT

This is quoting Jameslee102447

This thing called God, also assigned descriptive titles such as Lord, Father, First Cause, The Everlasting, The Supreme Being; the creator of all, and all powerful self-existent absolutely free infinite Spirit Being. All this and more has been summed up in the personal and divine name Jehovah, the Supernatural Author and Governor of the Universe. A depiction of the Almighty is always far reaching and beyond the mind of man to fully comprehend.

Does it really matter what we call the Lord and the Creator as long as we call on him? Let us not argue over whether it was a cross or a tree, because in theory it was made from a tree. Or whether they put nails or planks when they crucified him.

Yes, the Roman Catholic Church changed many things in the Bible. But regardless it is God's word and if some translator misinterpreted then the guilt is on them. We are not going to argue over whether 10 cents is called 10 cents or a dime. lol. Okay? God be with you Di.

RE: What do you think, is there Father God, and God the Son

jameslee102447 — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:39:10 GMT

This is a much deeper question then most know or understand. There is only one God and God is Spirit. “In the beginning, God”! In the beginning was Spirit or Intelligence only. No manifest universe, no visible form. Something that always was, Self-Existent Consciousness, and within Itself, Self-Existent Substance, the life principle. Through some inner act upon Itself, Spirit makes things out of Itself. And this is an act of Consciousness from the Self-Knowing Spirit, called God. In short, what God knows IS. This has been called the WORD of God or the Self-Contemplation of God.
A Self-Knowing Consciousness desiring to manifest in form did so by the power of His Word which is Law. God is pure Spirit or Intelligence and also perfect and immutable Law. He governs the Universe through the power of His word that is acted on by the immutable Law that must obey and create. Father, Son, and Holy Ghost or Self Knowing Consciousness, the Word, and Law, the three fold nature of Creation.
Jesus the Christ was the Word made flesh. Jesus was the man and Christ is the Word of God. So within Jesus the man, was the Self-Contemplation of God, known in the bible as the First born creature of God. When Jesus spoke as the Word of God the Holy Ghost (the Law) would obey and manifest that which was spoken.
Answering this question I would only point out that there is still only the Father, Son and Holly Ghost, the three fold nature of Creation, always was, always is, and always will be.
There is no separation, like a book is one, yet has width, depth, and substance.

RE: What do you think, is there Father God, and God the Son

Whirlwindflower — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:10:53 GMT

But Jameslee I knew you could give us the true answer and if I could..........I would give you many thumbs up.

You have the ability to make tough easy. Yes I totally agree and know that we as human beings have trouble realizing all that we need to know. We have been polluted by this world in our thinking.

Thank you. Di