What will you do when the tribulation strikes and you learn there is no rapture as you were taught?

Timesoftrouble — Wed, 06 May 2009 02:29:15 GMT

TRUE EDUCATION of Genesis, Daniel, and Revelation [The Time is at Hand] Life is just as a ride for many in this world as we all are different in so very many ways. Mankind has his cultures and his ways for all things. Mankind also possesses his own individual human nature which varies in un-countable ways. We have are givers, takers, liars, killers, homosexuals, rapists, psychotic serial killers, child porn producers, along with a whole wide world of nothing but pure violent dislike or hate for anyone who isn't exactly like us in thoughts and ways. This world today is also loaded with more than enough Nuclear Power to totally annihilate the human race while blowing this planet into scattered pieces throughout the never ending universe. Then on top of that we have a God that described precisely as the world now is many thousands of years ago, yet very few even understand because of multiple thousand separate man created religions that all teach the opposite of what God himself actually says in full context. [one of my other writings shows the 3.5 billion different believers] Care to know and understand exactly why so very few truly and genuinely are able to comprehend with good understanding everything that God so very plainly says in his Instruction Book called the Bible? Please allow me to make my answer to you as very simple as humanly possible rather than a mess of the twisted doctrines of man that God warns us all of throughout his written words by men that were inspired by his spirit.. First of all let me just say one subject that is very vital. If you are one that prefers all that you have been taught by man rather than what God actually says . . . . you best just stop now because in no way do I expect you to change as only God himself can do that. So why do I even bother writing these words to you? Because we all have a . . ."Sub Conscious". . . that will bring things of truth that was of no meaning at one time to the surface when the times are at hand. [and they now are] First in Revelation 12:9 the whole world has been deceived. Second is John 6:44 where Christ himself says that no man comes to me, except the Father which has sent me draw him. Now for the verses that will give you basic understanding of much in these ends times. In Daniel Chapter 12 verse 9 it is written; “And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.” Now as much as Daniel was loved by God he still did not understand because God does things in his own time and not ours. Now we are in the time of the end so the seal has been opened only to those whom God is drawing to understand and be used by Him. “And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which showed me these things. Then said he unto me, See thou do it not; for I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God. And he said to me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.” [Revelation 22:8-10] There now you have it, almost. One more clarification that you do need is this, and it is so plainly written in the Bible that a child could understand it. God made a promise to Abram that I shall make thee a Great nation and I shall bless thee. Genesis 12:2. Than as we move forward four chapters in Genesis God says in 17:5,7. Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations [Israel is not many nations] have I made thee. Next we move down just two verses in Genesis and come to these words of God himself who tells no lies. And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. Have you ever heard of a birthright blessing? Let’s look at verse 19 now. And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shall call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and his seed after him. Now care to see how God not only confirmed his promise but even added to it? God commanded Abraham to take his only son Isaac and offer him as a burn-offering, and with faith Abraham did just as God said to do. Can you put yourself in Abraham's place? You have a child that you love and God says to kill him, would you do it? Your own son is carrying the wood that will burn him after you slay him with a knife!!! At the very last moment God said, lay not thy hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: That was Genesis 12:22. Now let’s look at verses 15 -18. And the angel of the Lord called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time, And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the Lord, for because thou hast done this thing, and has not withheld thy son, thine only son: That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice. Do you understand the meaning of Gates of your Enemies? Just a short list of examples would be Panama Canal, the Suez Canal, the Strait of Gibraltar and all of the sea gates of the world. Now let’s move on. Isaac's wife Rebekah bore Jacob and God said; be thou the mother of millions, and let thy seed possess the gate of those which hate them. Genesis 24:60. Next we have the birthright passed from Isaac to Jacob in Genesis 27: 26-29. Let’s now read God's promise again in Genesis 28:14. And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed. Now Shall we continue? Who did Jacob become? And God said unto him, What is thy name? And he said Jacob. And God said, thy name shall no more be called Jacob, but Israel. Then again in Genesis 35:11-12; And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee....Please think very hard now because a 5 year old can easily understand the words that you just read. Does that sound like the poor country of Israel to you?? Is Israel a great and fruitful nation or group of nations that once had control of all the sea gates? Lets move on now. Jacob who God named Israel bore twelve sons, and in his last days had still yet to pass the birthright blessings promised by God onto his seed. Of Jacob or Israel's twelve sons one was Joseph, and it is he that we will now concentrate on because of the great affect his two sons have on your life as you read these words. What you have just read and are about to read is just plain exactly what God said, not me. Ready? In Genesis 48:13-20 what I am about to write is simply God's words from the KJV. And Joseph took them both, Ephraim in his right hand towards Israel's left hand, and Manasseh in his left hand toward Israel's right hand, and brought them near unto him. And Israel stretched out his right hand, and laid it upon Ephraim's head, who was the younger, and his left hand upon Manasseh's head, guiding his hands wittingly; for Manasseh was the firstborn. And he blessed Joseph, and said, God, before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac did walk, the God which fed me all my life long unto this day, The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth. And when Joseph said unto his father, Not so, my father: for this is the firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head. And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations. And he blessed them that day, saying, In thee Israel bless, saying, God make thee as Ephraim and as Manasseh: and he set Ephraim before Manasseh. Now remember and understand this, all Jew's are Israelites, but most Israelites are not Jews. Were you aware that the LAMENTATIONS of Jeremiah are for you today? Do you realize just how close America is to falling from it's crumbling foundation? God made an everlasting covenant with Abram that had promises. Read Leviticus 26 and understand how God keeps his promises as it should bring tears to your eyes. Through many years my life, I had a partial focus on God. But now, through very many difficult tests, chastisement, and training over the past three years, God has gained my full devotion which is 24x7x52=God who has become my only like-minded friend and companion of life. God is love, Christ is love, and we as followers are to follow in His steps, yet God has very clearly shown me that almost zero do with their hearts over their lips. Now if you hate me, and judge me by just those few words, welcome to the saved ones who claim the love of Christ, but have removed their hearts far from Him. Isaiah 29:13. I have a love for all of mankind, because in the very soon to come kingdom of God, there will be no hate, killing, lying, stealing, false gods, greed, perversion, torture, child abuse, religious deception, corrupt governments with an additional and uncountable amount of evil atrocities regarding children that could drown you in tears if the details were only partially written. Yet with my genuine care and desire to give a clear message of God’s truth, I have been forced into www.aidpage.com because there are no brothers that seem to care in any way of my circumstance in life. Yet I still thank God with unwavering faith because I know that He has a purpose for all things. God's Safety and Protection During the Great Tribulation and His Wrath to Come in the Day of the Lord Think and imagine this, God is speaking directly to you, because that is exactly what He does through His words in the Holy Bible. Do you know what the Bible is? It's an "Instruction Book." God's instructions, when read, studied, and applied to your daily life are directions for all things. Those directions with instructions on how to follow Christ can do two things. The first is this; allowing all of your dreams of happiness to become an everlasting reality while living in a world of perfection according to God's government and rule. Because faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. And that is a promise from our God who does not lie! The second is this; "But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments; And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant; I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it. And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you. And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins. And I will break the pride of your power;"... (Leviticus 26:14-19). "The Lord shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou has forsaken me. [Forsaking God is not following Christ in all ways without making excuses while examining your own self in comparison with all of Christ actions. . . the holidays you honor, with the first day of the week you honor, are totally forsaking God] The Lord shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand; A nation of fierce countenance, which shall not regard the person of the old, nor show favor to the young: And he shall eat the fruit of thy cattle, and the fruit of thy land, until thou be destroyed: which also shall not leave thee either corn, wine, or oil, or the increase of thy kine, or flocks of thy sheep, until he have destroyed thee. And he shall besiege thee in all thy gates, until thy high and fenced walls come down, wherein thou trusted, throughout all thy land: and he shall besiege thee in all thy gates throughout all thy land, which the Lord thy God hath given thee. And thou shall eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the Lord thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee:"...(Deuteronomy 28:20, 49 - 53). All through scriptures, God gives very detailed warnings of what is about to happen to America, yet peoples pride and deceived minds refuse to accept the truth, even when it is God's truth. 1 Thessalonians 5:21 says prove all things, yet even with proof from God Himself, only few believe. In Luke 12, verse 32, take notice of the words. . ."Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom." Little in the Strong's Concordance means just that. . . small (in size, quantity, number or dignity):---least, less, little, small. Flock is a group of believers. So again, what does God say? "Fear not, little flock." What does this small group of believers have not to fear? Ezekiel 5:16-17...."When I shall send upon them the evil arrows of famine, which shall be for their destruction, and which I will send to destroy you: and I will increase the famine upon you, and will break your staff of bread: So I will send upon you famine and evil beasts, and they shall bereave thee; and pestilence and blood shall pass through thee; and I will bring the sword upon thee. I the Lord have spoken it. Why have they not to fear? Because they believe God's laws and government based on the Ten Commandments, and obey them. Do you honor God's seven Feasts? Or do you honor the pagan days that are not even in the Bible to follow? Luke 4:4 says we are to live by every Word of God, do you? A Place of Protection . . . Below is not the rapture that does not exist in truth but only mistruths. There is 21/2 years of the Great Tribulation followed by 1 year of God's wrath. . .which is the Day of the Lord. . . prior to the only and one time 2nd coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. What you’re about to read is detailed events and how God will protect you from suffering so severe that when Jeremiah saw the vision ...."Mine eyes do fail me with tears, my bowels are troubled, my liver is poured upon the earth, for the destruction of the daughter of my people; because the children and the sucklings swoon in the streets of the city"... (Lamentations 2:11). ZEPHANIAH 2:1-3..."Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired; Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the Lord come upon you, before the day of the Lord's anger come upon you. Seek ye the Lord, all you meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the Lord's anger." Hid, not secretly raptured. PROVERBS 1:33..."But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil." LUKE 21:36..."Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." PROVERBS 3:25-26, 14:26, 18:10..."Be not afraid of sudden fear, neither of the desolation of the wicked, when it cometh. For the Lord shall be thy confidence, and shall keep thy foot from being taken."..."In the fear of the Lord is strong confidence: and His children shall have a place of refuge."..."The name of the Lord is a strong tower: the righteous runneth into it, and it is safe." ISAIAH 26:20-21..."Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. For, behold, the Lord cometh out of His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and no more cover her slain." PSALMS 27:5..."For in the time of trouble he shall hide me in his pavilion: in the secret of his tabernale shall he hide me; he shall set me upon a rock." PSALMS 33:18-20..."Behold, the eye of the Lord is upon them that fear him, upon them that hope in his mercy; To deliver their soul from death, and to keep them alive in famine. Our soul waiteth for the Lord: he is our help and our shield." PSALMS 91:1-12..."He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. I will say of the Lord, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God: in him will I trust. Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence. He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler. Thou shall not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day; Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday. A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee. Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked. (wicked in the Strong's Concordance means just one that did wrong, as in not obeying the Ten Commandments) Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation; There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling. For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways." PSALMS 4:8..."I will both lay me down in peace, and sleep: for thou, Lord, only makes me dwell in safety." Ask me why I write these words, and my answer will come from God in Job 32:8..."But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding. So if all of saved Christians of perfection in the eyes of God get raptured off the planet earth, I wonder who God is protecting? Misfits that are un-saved? Low lifes? Scum bellies? Think about the reality and God’s truth. Get on your browser and put in concentration camps in America, mass grave sites, crematories, FEMA, and there is no end to what is about to plow America into destruction. No one likes truth, but better to face it now, rather than be blindsided. There is no changing what is knocking loud at the doors of 300 million lives, but there is a way to gain God’s favor, and if you don’t now, prepare to die the hard way. Every thing I tell you is only a true message from God. I have said it before, but I will say it again. The people hated Ezekiel for his words, so feel free to hate me also. But very soon you will have your regrets for not listening.

RE: What will you do when the tribulation strikes and you learn there is no rapture as you were taught?

Voice of Reason — Wed, 06 May 2009 03:54:00 GMT

There you go again, pontificating. The simple answer to your question is I will die and deal with what the Lord has in store for me. You see I don't need proof I believe and have faith.

RE: What will you do when the tribulation strikes and you learn there is no rapture as you were taught?

Timesoftrouble — Wed, 06 May 2009 04:49:34 GMT

Did by chance it ever occure to your mind that I am in no way even speaking to you? Believe it or not as you choose, but all human beings are different. With some I gain friendships with conversation for the words that I share, and with others like yourself, the mind just can't comprehend. So please don't read what may be written, because your mind just can't handle spiritual truths that are foolishness to your way of attempting thought. Have a fine day or evening or morning or what ever time it may be. And may God bless your way of thought.

RE: What will you do when the tribulation strikes and you learn there is no rapture as you were taught?

Voice of Reason — Wed, 06 May 2009 05:34:10 GMT

"Judge not lest you be judged, sayeth the Lord". You may want to check a dictionary before you start criticizing others you twit. If it wasn't for me no one would respond to your rants. You don't have a clue who I am. Nice way to make friends by alienating them. What makes you any different than radical Islam? And I know God will not bless your way of thought. Have a nice day.

RE: What will you do when the tribulation strikes and you learn there is no rapture as you were taught?

Timesoftrouble — Wed, 06 May 2009 09:02:12 GMT

Is God's truth critical? God has blessed me with understanding. When you say that I criticize others, it is you who judges.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 2:14

I never intentionally or purposely mean to offened anyone, but rather just give a warning from genuine care. Christ left us an example that we are to follow. 1 Peter 2:21. Christ also had the love which passes knowledge, and once we can aquire that same love, we can be filled with the fulness of God. Ephesians 3:19

Have a fine day, and may God bless your heart and mind.

RE: What will you do when the tribulation strikes and you learn there is no rapture as you were taught?

Voice of Reason — Wed, 06 May 2009 22:23:39 GMT

So your god (not capitalized on purpose) instructs you to judge others by using his (not capitalized) words to hide behind and condemn your fellow man. My God does not preach judgement, but love, forgiveness and tolerance. Oh, by the way you may have heard of Him. He is the God of Abraham with a son named Jesus.

Does it make you feel good to act superior? "Pride goeth before the fall" you know! I don't think Christ would take kindly to you using His words to obtain power over others.

RE: What will you do when the tribulation strikes and you learn there is no rapture as you were taught?

MikeBuilder123 — Thu, 07 May 2009 02:25:23 GMT

Hey, Times!

The tribulation you talk about came between 1937 and 1945: WWII. Three years later, Israel was back in business. That was the prophecy.

It was fulfilled before your eyes and in your hearing.

However, the devil was bound for "a short while (66 years, if I read Revellations correctly) which coincides with the election of BHO.

It is happening before your eyes and in your hearing. The antichrist is now in the Oval Office, as predicted long ago.

BHO will see 3 years in office, then he will be replaced by someone even worse for a year, and then, the end . . . of the age.

I only hope that you faithless people who have too much religion to please God, will come to your senses. If you continue bungling the way you do, the next age will be too nasty to describe.

RE: What will you do when the tribulation strikes and you learn there is no rapture as you were taught?

Timesoftrouble — Thu, 07 May 2009 13:20:27 GMT

When it comes to religion, only God's words are truth, whereas He strongly warns against the doctrines and tradtions of man. As far as your views on the tribulation, and who the house of Israel is with the birthright blessings, you are the one in extreme darkness. And soon you will learn the hard way as God laughs at your calamity. Proverbs 1:26

RE: What will you do when the tribulation strikes and you learn there is no rapture as you were taught?

Sammy — Thu, 07 May 2009 16:36:17 GMT

Pilippians 2: 1-5, "If THERE be therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies, Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind. Let nothing be done through strife of vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves. Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others. Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:" The Bible says that fellowshiping 2gether pleases Him. Grant it, we r 2 worship God - not traditions, but that doesn't mean we should go without traditions al2gether. It was a tradition 2 take off ur hat and place it on ur heart when entering a church (even the drunkest pilgram did so). Now , that tradition has pretty much gone out the window, but that tradition was a sign of respect. So when it left, so did much of the respect 4 the church. "i don't have 2 show my respect by taking off my hat. Y do i have 2 show respect by dressing in my Sunday best?" ...and it would go down hill from there. Hey, my old church (we changed churches after a preacher took over that we didn't agree with) had a motorcycle ride down the middle of the church cause it was some 'biker holiday'. We do not fellowship with them cause they r not like-minded, but we found a church that was, and we'v attended 4 almost 12 yrs and it has been great! God doesn't look down at ppl that fellowship with 1another, just the 1s that fellowship outside of His will. 8)

RE: What will you do when the tribulation strikes and you learn there is no rapture as you were taught?

SocratesRedux — Fri, 08 May 2009 03:19:29 GMT

If there was no God would you be as observant of the basics of humanity?

Is your religion a Scale Of justice on which to judge others?

Here's the real crux of people not dealing with your diatribes; some people are religious believers; some are not.

Where do you categorize those who aren't believers in God, but who believe in essential goodness fostered by caring for and about your fellow man?

Is there a meeting ground of acceptance for those who beliefs don't include a Diety?

RE: What will you do when the tribulation strikes and you learn there is no rapture as you were taught?

Timesoftrouble — Fri, 08 May 2009 06:28:47 GMT

Hello Dennis, I mean no ill intents, and I never judge another. Some believe in God, and others do not. Some strive with their hearts to understand God, and others don’t. When one becomes totally devoted with their complete life of 24 hours a day, seven days a week, and every week of the year to only God who cannot lie, He does indeed do many things within that persons life that others can’t see or don’t want too understand. It really matters not, the message with truth is all that matters. Paul says it well; “But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Cor. 2:14 And yes, if there was no God I would still be very observant of humanity because of all the horrors that happen to the innocent. Rapes, murders, tortures, sexual abuse to all ages, and the list of atrocities never ends. What you wrote concerning the point of my sharp words ends with your words of easy truth. Some are religious believers; some are not, so they are free to read or not read. I do only what I feel led to do, which is to only warn, and God will do the rest. I categorize no none purposely, what I simply do is state what all shall come to pass whether one believes or not. Because I fast, pray, study, meditate, and much more, always, God has allowed me to see much from His point of view. And He has told me through scripture that many would hate me for my words. I do as the men of Berea, in that with readiness of mind, I search the scriptures daily to see what is true, and what is false. Those who believe are to live by every word of God, but few do, and that is why the narrow gate that leads to eternal life, and few there be that find it. I judge not pastors, God does. Below may give you a little understanding of me. And I am sorry if my words were taken wrong. Words of importance for all to read because you are far from being alone in your struggles. . . . When one begins life in a fashion that is out of order, its confusion with ruffled edges just seems to follow through your existence . . . . and as you grow with age and maturity, you begin with your mind look back in remembrances of everything since your birth, and for most, other than dreams, there is just no complete happiness anywhere to be found. Why is that? Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it. Because God’s fullness in a way that very few have ever experienced was missing as your lead in life . . . is the reason for the world as it is today. God is not something from the lips, but rather an invisible spirit so powerful that He has a presence trillions light years away from here right this moment, yet looks at you, and sees clearly the intents of your heart so deeply that He knows you better than you know your own self. Hebrews 4:12 I am not writing these words for any gain for myself, but rather just to share with you that you’re not in anyway alone, and how you can deal with what is now, so as to prepare yourself for what soon will be much worse beyond words. My intent is not to frighten, but to strengthen you all while there is time. [and little there is] Let me say as few words as possible just so that we can relate. As a child I saw to much with no childhood, but rather just unmentionable darkness in the eyes of God. Married a ready made family at a young immature age, and stuck with it through 30 years of co-existence lacking love while dodging bill collectors, foreclosures, repo’s , bankruptcies, injuries, burnt down home of 18 years with the insurance payment overdue, going to Iraq as a welder only to be ripped off of seven thousand dollars by one of the many crooked contractors that have been bleeding America dry. Got divorced and gave away to my ex everything, and have been living one very hard life with bad teeth, bad disk in back, three one dollar each pairs of eyeglasses and a magnifying glass to read and see, rice, fish, and bread for the last three years to eat, a very foggy mind with loud ringing ears from an old head injury that took a piece of my brain, a woman that I love and want to marry, but can’t due to having nothing, while owing much more than what we can pay, and with these few tiny problems, there are many more such as having to use a cane on and off for back support at the young age of 54, living with exhaustion, and always seeing the world of atrocities from God’s point of view. What my life amounts to in comparison to others is better, worse, or about the same with only one very important exception. I can deal with all things through faith which makes all of God’s promises true. They may not happen today, but they will be fulfilled, because God cannot lie. We all need help, and mine comes in a spiritual way that just gives me inner peace. You now have a choice. Take my words seriously, or, soon to come, you will wish that you did, or you can ignore. However, no matter what anyone does, what is about to happen will not change, and what Jeremiah saw in a vision from God concerning you, made him vomit. What is one to do when he is so very well aware of a truth from God concerning the whole human race that no one wants to hear? Truth hurts, but to be blindsided hurts even worse. God offers His favor to those who have the proper intents within their hearts. “And they that know thy name will put their trust in thee: for thou, Lord, has not forsaken them that seek thee.” Psalms 9:10 Going to church and believing is not seeking God. When you set your affections on things above, and not the things in the earth. . . .that is seeking God. When you do that, He will do this for you. . . . “He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee. In famine He shall redeem thee from death: and in war from the power of the sword. Thou shalt be hid from the scourge of the tongue: neither shalt thou be afraid of destruction when it comes. At destruction and famine you shall laugh: Job 5:19-22 OR “Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! Saith the Lord I will visit upon you the evil of your doings saith the Lord.” Jeremiah 23:1-2 “For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee. In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; Isaiah 54:7-8 God’s moment is the tribulation that will begin soon right in America while spreading world chaos with Russia, China, and Europe all scrambling to become the new worlds superpower. Welcome to nuclear WW III with Iran almost being another nuclear power that will not hesitate to use them against the great Satan, the USA. I care about you all, but because Ezekiel was hated for his message from God, I expect the same. Made God be with you by drawing you closer . . . John 6:44

RE: What will you do when the tribulation strikes and you learn there is no rapture as you were taught?

Timesoftrouble — Fri, 08 May 2009 07:55:41 GMT

Because God cannot lie, His every word is true. When many claim the love of Christ with their lips, their hearts are far from Him. Isaiah 29:13 And this commandment have we from Him, That he who loveth God love his brother also. 1 John 4:21 Judge not lest ye be judged. There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. Proverbs 16:25 Commit thy works unto the Lord, and thy thoughts shall be established. [16:3] And being made perfect, He became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey Him. Hebrews 5:9 For this ye were called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow His steps. 1 Peter 2:21 Our Lord Jesus Christ knew nothing of the traditions of man, and we are to live by every word of God. If we choose not too, Paul clearly tells of your out come in 2 Thessalonians 1:8. In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. Our Lord honored the Sabbath on the 7th day of the week, not the first. He attended no Christmas gatherings, Easter is pagan also unless Christ was hunting colored bunny eggs, and for that matter, every holiday that mankind takes part in, are no where to be found in the words that we are to live by. Paul wrote, Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Because I often fast, and always pray without ceasing, meditate, study, and strive with all of my heart, mind, body, and soul to honor and love our Lord and Father God . . . . One of my greatest prayers is; “And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fullness of God.” Ephesians 3:19. To my own heart and mind, what more could one ever desire or hope for? Just too have the love of Christ, would be to have His mind, “Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus.” Philippians 3:5 And to have His mind will bring the fullness of God into your life for all eternity. The reason why that prayer and need is so great, is to allow my humbleness to continue with love as it is. And it is that love that gives me the needed spiritual strength to accept the attacks of darkness from people that dislike and judge me. Christ said; “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.”

RE: What will you do when the tribulation strikes and you learn there is no rapture as you were taught?

Voice of Reason — Fri, 08 May 2009 22:23:08 GMT

You interpose the Old Testament with the New Testament to fit your agenda. The coming of Christ as predicted in the Old Testament was to open a new era of belief. The Old Testament ways of fire and brimestone and an eye for an eye was to give way to love and tolerance with the preachings of Jesus and sealed with His dying on the cross for our sins and to begin a new and eternal covenant between God and man which spawned the new religion of Christianity.

You seem to like to dwell in the Old Testament. By doing this you are contradicting the teachings of Christ. The Old Testament is the foundation for the New Testament but is steeped in judgement, distruction, terrible punishment, plagues, history and Hebrew Law. It was superceded by the New Testament. You need to make up your mind and decide whether you want to stay in that world or the one made possible by our Lord, Jesus. You may also want to review the Nicene Creed which, kind-of, sums everything up!

By the way, Jesus didn't celebrate Cristmas because He would be celebrating Himself, Duh! I'm sure, though, that His family celebrated His birthday each year, so I guess in a sense He did celebrate Christmas. Of course He didn't celebrate Easter, which is His Resurrection. The eggs, you spoke of, symbolize rebirth and probably originated in Greek Orthodox Christianity where the tapping of red colored eggs together is part of their Easter celebration. The Sabbath was moved to Sunday by one of the earlier Popes (maybe Leo) to incorporate and appease pagans that worshiped the earth and planets on "sun" day, in order to bring them into the Christian church. The Sabbath is based on Old Testament Hebrew Law that made Saturday the first day of the week not Sunday. The Jews and Islam still celebrate on this day which actually begins at sundown on Friday and lasts until sundown on Saturday. So, technically, the Sabbath is Friday and Saturday. Also by the Jewish calendar this is the year 4 thousand something not 2009 which is based on the Christian calender. So make up your mind. Jew, Muslim, Christian, or timeoftroublism?

I'm sorry to hear of your troubles but we all have our crosses to bear. Believing in a wonderful, forgiving, loving Christ can give us all hope. You are certainly entitled to your beliefs but one of the reasons I have such a hard time finding a church to go to is because of people like you that our self-righteous, unforgiving, and judgemental. Your obsessive condemnations will not sway us from our beliefs, trust me!

RE: What will you do when the tribulation strikes and you learn there is no rapture as you were taught?

geegee — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:44:51 GMT

Why, as a born again Christian, would I doubt God's Word?

Those who are Born Again through the Redemption of the blood of Christ have something very special awaiting them.

1 Thess.4:16-17

'For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and the trump of God; and the dead IN CHRIST shall rise first; then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord, and so shall we ever be with the Lord.'

This scripture says perfectly clearly that we will meet Jesus in the clouds. He will not come to earth at this time. This is what Christians call the rapture. Or if you like you can call it the capture.

As born again Christians we are a part of the body of Christ. We will never be separated from Him. It is my belief that when He does return for the Second Coming, we will be with Him then as his army.